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DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 11:32 AM Sep 2017

Germany heads to the polls

Germans are voting in a nationwide election that is expected to deliver a fourth term to Chancellor Angela Merkel. It is also expected to see the right-wing populist AfD party enter parliament for the first time.

Polling stations opened at 8 a.m. local time (0600 UTC) on Sunday at 88,000 locations across Germany.

Some 61.5 million people are eligible to cast their ballots in the long-awaited election, in which Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservative Christian Democratic Union (CDU), along with its Bavarian sister party the Christian Social Union (CSU), is projected to win the largest share of votes.

Opinion polls put the CDU/CSU bloc's popularity at 34-36 percent, ahead of the Social Democrats (SPD)'s 21-22 percent - a lead that suggests Merkel's victory is all but assured. If the polls are to be believed, the 2017 election will also see a far-right party, the Alternative for Germany (AfD), win seats in the Bundestag.

http://www.dw.com/en/germany-heads-to-the-polls/a-40655495
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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
5. Those ballots are scanned in to count and the paper is retained.
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 02:21 PM
Sep 2017

My county in Florida use that system.

dalton99a

(81,525 posts)
6. No, they're hand counted
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 02:25 PM
Sep 2017
http://www.dw.com/en/german-election-volunteers-organize-the-voting-and-count-the-ballots/a-40562388
Voting in Germany is done with pen and paper, the results are counted by hand.

A volunteer opens the slot of the ballot box for the voter to drop the envelope with his marked ballot inside.

Once the polling stations close at 6 p.m. the volunteers open the ballot box, take out the envelopes and remove the ballot slips. They sort the ballots according to a pre-arranged system, decide on whether the votes are valid or invalid, and count the votes - reading out each vote aloud, which is noted in writing in a log.

At the end, the number of ballots is compared with the number of people who voted in that particular polling station.

Ezior

(505 posts)
8. Max 2500 voters per precinct, so it's easy to hand-count
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 02:34 PM
Sep 2017

With scanners, you can't really be sure if the software works flawlessly, unless you hand-count everything anyway.

We have pretty reliable predictions at the same second polling stations close, and very good estimates a few hours later, and the preliminary final results (pending objections) early next morning, well in time for morning newspapers. Never change a running system.

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
2. The SPD could have had it - they chose Martin Schultz...Meanwhile, I predict the AFD will lose votes
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 11:52 AM
Sep 2017

...from prior election and be insignificant and interestingly enough, the "Linke" (the Left) will gain more votes from people who are disgusted with the SPD and refuse to vote for Merkel.

Merkel will win. There are good things and bad things about this. I have a different perspective than most because I was raised in Germany (Bavaria) and have family throughout Germany, including in Niedersachsen and Hamburg region. I hear all the conversations amongst my German family, friends and community. People who were lifelong voters of the CSU (Bavaria's party with CDU) can't stand Merkel and hold their nose for her. Many people of all parties can't stand Merkel, but don't see an alternative and had hoped for a long time that the coalition of "Rot-Rot-Grun" with a strong SPD leader would finally take the lead. Then the SPD chose Martin Schultz. And it was over. Merkel was set to win.

Ironically compared to the United States, staying home and not voting is not an option. Germans come out in droves (its also mandated by law) and vote on a Sunday. The results will start pouring in soon. (Yes, counted from paper ballots). And like I said above, Merkel will win. But I think there may be some surprising results for the German Bundestag (their parliament). I know dozens of people who were loyal SPD who can't pull themselves to vote for Martin Schultz and feel that the CDU/CSU and SPD are all the same and are voting "Linke" today for first time in their lives. I know members of the CSU who are voting for other parties and not the CSU.

Its going to be interesting. But Merkel will win. But I predict a very different than expected result in the Bundestag which will result in interesting coalitions if Merkel wants to get things done and she will have a different next term.

Ezior

(505 posts)
9. One comment
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 02:38 PM
Sep 2017
Then the SPD chose Martin Schultz. And it was over.


That's far from the truth though!

The SPD skyrocketed in polls after the SPD chose Martin Schulz. Some polls even saw them ahead of the Union parties for a week or so.

Then, Schulz did some campaigning and things quickly went downhill from there.
I didn't like his Russia stance. Only the Greens and the CDU were in favour of keeping up sanctions against Russia, so I voted for the greens. Great coincidence, since I want us to do a lot more against climate change as well.

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
10. I stand by my assertion that it was over for the SPD when they chose Martin Schultz...
Mon Sep 25, 2017, 10:56 AM
Sep 2017

I completely agree that factually that in the month after they chose him that the SPD surged and it looked over for Angie and the CDU/CSU....but that wasn't because of Martin Schultz....that was hope and disappointment in the status quo....

And then your correct - Schultz opened his mouth and did some campaigning and went very quickly downhill from there. But the fate was sealed when they chose him. Watching the process this last summer was like watching a train wreck coming in slow motion...you knew it was coming.

Your reasoning for voting for the Greens was a large reason that some of the people I know who normally voted for the SPD or CDU voted for the Greens (largely the Russia reason you point out). And I know many lifelong CSU and SPD voters who voted for first time in their life for the FDP and even the "Linke". And when you look at the loss of support for the CDU/CSU and the SPD compared to the other parties, there was no surprise there except for the disgusting and scary result of the surge for the AfD....wow...that is pretty crazy...my only thought is that they will hopefully be like the "Piraten" party and lose support and a voice very quickly within the next year...but we shouldn't assume that will happen and Germans need to pay attention that the debates are not lost in the noise and dangerous rhetoric coming from the AfD. Putin is smiling right now about their win and will happily watch the destabilization from within Germany with the voice of the AfD. They are Germany's Trumpistas and very frightening in my opinion...13%....wow...

Finally, I just need to say that the first time I actually thought Martin Schultz had any "fight" in him and I somewhat liked him briefly was when last night on election night he stated that the SPD will not be forming the traditional bloc with the CDU/CSU....Merkel looked shocked...

We shall see what happens next...my only hope is that Germans are opening their eyes and are paying attention....

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
3. I think Merkel will win.
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 02:10 PM
Sep 2017

Germany is better at protecting their elections and after seeing what happened here I am sure they are very much on top of things. Most of them hate trump and want to avoid the ones like him. The have already had their hitler they do not need one again.

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