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Baconator

(1,459 posts)
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 02:26 PM Sep 2017

Bill Clinton's pollster doesn't think much of the race Hillary Clinton ran

Source: CNN

Everyone seems to have a strong opinion about why Hillary Clinton lost.

Clinton herself -- as explained in her new memoir "What Happened" -- puts blame on her campaign, the news media, former FBI director James Comey and WikiLeaks. Donald Trump tweeted this morning that "Crooked Hillary" was simply a "bad candidate."

And now Stan Greenberg, the man who served as the lead pollster for Bill Clinton's 1992 presidential campaign (and Al Gore's 2000 campaign) has written a long essay titled "How She Lost" that slams Clinton (and her campaign) for a series of messaging, tactical and broader strategic errors.

Greenberg concludes: "For me, the most glaring examples include the Clinton campaign's over-dependence on technical analytics; its failure to run campaigns to win the battleground states; the decision to focus on the rainbow base and identity politics at the expense of the working class; and the failure to address the candidate's growing 'trust problem,' to learn from events and reposition."

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/23/politics/stan-greenberg-hillary-clinton/index.html?sr=fbCNNp092317stan-greenberg-hillary-clinton0323PMVODtop&CNNPolitics=fb


The video is worth a look as well...

Reposted from LBN because I was outside the 12 hour mark.

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joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
1. Nope, he lost me at identity politics
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 02:30 PM
Sep 2017

He might be right about a lot of things, but identity politics is nothimg more than bigot code

Me.

(35,454 posts)
13. Let Me Put It This Way
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 03:22 PM
Sep 2017

Yet another man with a negative view of HRC and what she should/shouldn't have done. Was this article necessary, what purpose did it actually serve now that we've heard over and over how wrong she was, what a terrible campaign she ran, because don't you know a man never lost an election for president, and certainly not with 3 million more popular votes.

unblock

(52,253 posts)
3. Media bias explains probably 90% of why we lost
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 02:34 PM
Sep 2017

So dwelling on the other 10% is beyond pointless. We have to address the media problem and not get distracted by simply hoping for a "better candidate" running a "better campaign".

You know what makes a better candidate running a better campaign? Better media coverage.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
4. You nailed it- they need to be called to the carpet for the games they played-
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 02:44 PM
Sep 2017

They assumed she was a shoe in and wanted to make it more of a horse race. They manipulated perceptions and let too many lies just sit there unexamined. Huge failures.
Whe. They do it again, they must be called out.

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)
5. I wouldn't go that high, but it was significant.
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 02:47 PM
Sep 2017

Voter suppression and other electoral ratfuckery accounts for a significant part of it, too. We are slowly finding out just how bad it all really was. And, it wasn't just Hillary who got screwed. So did people like Russ Feingold.

unblock

(52,253 posts)
11. Fair point.
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 03:15 PM
Sep 2017

What I was trying to emphasize was that the elements within the sole control of the candidate accounted for very little of the reasons she lost.

That conclusion requires the assumption that the game is fair, which it most definitely is not.

R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
6. Exactly, she was lied about, attacked and degraded
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 02:51 PM
Sep 2017

by literally all sides and couldn't respond so as not to upset people. Endless insults in the name of "issues" were allowed to perpetuate and the media never challenged the craven lies about her.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
7. Of COURSE he doesn't. Passed over in 2016 in favor of others, he's applying for big jobs
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 03:07 PM
Sep 2017

in 2018 and 2020. And this is how he hopes to pass up others in his field -- by pretending Hill lost (not the Democratic Party -- just her)) not because our election systems have been infiltrated and corrupted but because she didn't hire him and follow his advice.

Not because the huge forces that operated, often clandestinely, unethically and illegally, against her included

* The GOP, of course.
* Very widespread vote suppression and election corruption, frequently directed by state governments and condoned by corrupt judges.
* The enormous, extremely well organized machines developed by archconservative megamillionaires/billionaires.
* The right wing media machine, much of it financed as needed by above.
* Social media compliance with seditious and cyberwar activities on their sites, including Facebook and Google.
* Russia engaged in state-level cyber warfare.
* Elements of the FBI, who knew they and Russia were playing on the same team in this one.
* Far from least, most of the MSM, including the AP, whom democracy itself depends on an dwho we now know were actively and heavily engaged in transferring national and state power to conservatives.

Bet he has no idea, either that Cambridge Analytica, owned and developed specifically to use this election to seize power away from the undeserving "people" by American billionaire Robert Spencer, was involved in the relection of the president of Kenya, whose election has been nullified by Kenya's supreme court due to a wide range of irregularities, including hacking election servers and manipulation of personal voter data.

Yup, it's all about how Hill should have made yet another trip to Wisconsin, etc. So obvious. What a dumb blonde.

How DARE he?! Piss on him and all who sing his song.


politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
8. Everybody's got an opinion. Had she won, everyone would be talking about the awful campaign run
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 03:08 PM
Sep 2017

by Trump. They'd be talking about his lack of specifics on policy, his belittling his opponents and how unbecoming that was. His lack of knowledge on running a national campaign, his failure to hire an experienced campaign staff instead of relying on his inexperienced real estate business staff, etc. As the saying goes, "victory has a thousand fathers, failure is an orphan."

When she was ahead in all the polls leading into the final stretch, in spite of every low down thing Trump was pulling, i.e.the name calling, the lies about her medical condition, the women of Bill Clinton etc; Comey's interference, Rudy Guiliani's plotting with current and former members of the FBI to force Comey to bring an indictment , Comey's struggles with Comey, the Bernie Sanders Bros trying to hijack the party, Wikileaks and the Russians hacking of the DNC, etc, etc, etc, we'd be calling her campaign brilliant.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
10. One thing that I have seen.
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 03:11 PM
Sep 2017

Female candidates for high office need to outwork their opponent by 100%, be prepared to handle criticism even when it is unfair, and campaign everywhere, be in the voters faces on the ground until they see her in their sleep.

Bill Clinton in New Hampshire in 1992 primary was a good example. He had the pants problem and had done poorly in earlier contests. If he finished badly in New Hampshire, his campaign was done. He campaigned his ass off all over the state, going to even small gatherings, doing many events a day. On primary voting day, he was out in the rain stopping cars to talk to anyone who would talk to him in hopes of turning the last minute voter his way or getting the man or woman who was not going to vote to vote for him. He finished a strong second and the rest is history.

Hillary and Bill seem different to me. Bill Clinton seems willing to go anywhere to talk to anyone, regardless of the size of the crowd. Hillary seemed uncomfortable with ground level politics, walking a street at dinner time to ring doorbells. The last thing is something Bill Clinton and Barack Obama excelled at and Hillary Clinton, Mitt Romney and Al Gore did not. When a person faces a Donald Trump or GW Bush and their lies, the person need to get face to face with as many voters as possible so those voters can see the cabdidate's humanity.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
12. He was advisor to the Gore and Kerry campaigns
Sun Sep 24, 2017, 03:21 PM
Sep 2017

They both lost to Bush. Did he write a long essay "slamming them (and their campaigns) for a series of messaging, tactical, and broader strategic errors"? Just wondering.

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