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Ken Burns Vietnam just mentioned Nixon's treason. (Original Post) we can do it Sep 2017 OP
That was discussed on Hartmann today. House of Roberts Sep 2017 #1
More than just a passing sentence, too. we can do it Sep 2017 #2
DVRed it! So glad it was mentioned! Chasstev365 Sep 2017 #3
Not to mention their selling missiles to Iran...... lastlib Sep 2017 #21
I am learning so much about the war and the politics of Vietnam Arkansas Granny Sep 2017 #4
Me as well......wow, and how horrible, that war was. a kennedy Sep 2017 #6
Me too. we can do it Sep 2017 #12
Republican cesspool values Achilleaze Sep 2017 #5
and Trump is using the same tactics Nixon used in his re-election campaign Greywing Sep 2017 #7
Yeah, they even had the tape of Nixon lying to Johnson about it. blue neen Sep 2017 #8
Very. Outstanding. Tiring. we can do it Sep 2017 #10
What a damned depressing documentary. GoCubsGo Sep 2017 #9
Depressing, but highly recommended. we can do it Sep 2017 #20
Yep. It's on par with "The Civil War." GoCubsGo Sep 2017 #30
"Nixon was lying and Johnson knew it." SMC22307 Sep 2017 #11
I feel like I'm in an intense college class. we can do it Sep 2017 #13
Exactly. This 1968 Democratic Convention... SMC22307 Sep 2017 #14
That got to me, too. Was too young to grasp what was happening. we can do it Sep 2017 #15
Same here. We lived near Andrews... SMC22307 Sep 2017 #17
Will we ever see Cronkite's like again? nt raccoon Sep 2017 #34
Sadly, no. (n/t) SMC22307 Sep 2017 #36
As a Vietnam veteran Gymbo Sep 2017 #16
When did that become public knowledge... SMC22307 Sep 2017 #22
George Will wrote about it in 2014 Gymbo Sep 2017 #23
OK, thanks for the reply. (n /t) SMC22307 Sep 2017 #24
I Read About It RobinA Sep 2017 #31
It was hinted at days before the 68 election and actually reported immediately afterward, somewhat. Tactical Peek Sep 2017 #29
Ah, thanks. SMC22307 Sep 2017 #35
TreasonWeasels GOP. It's who they are. n/t TygrBright Sep 2017 #18
I cannot believe Paris peace talks were delayed... SMC22307 Sep 2017 #19
Yep, I Actually RobinA Sep 2017 #32
excellent! G_j Sep 2017 #25
I see the GoP was as treasonous then as it is today Calculating Sep 2017 #26
and Nixon appointed Rehnquist to the Supreme Court diva77 Sep 2017 #27
Reagan appointed him. Kaleva Sep 2017 #37
Actually, Nixon appted him to replace Harlan as an associate justice, then Reagan appointed him as diva77 Sep 2017 #41
I was thinking Chief Justice but you were refering to associate justice Kaleva Sep 2017 #42
He and Kissinger should have been burrowowl Sep 2017 #28
Johnson Absolutely RobinA Sep 2017 #33
Sad thing is, I would trade Trump for Nixon right now. FLPanhandle Sep 2017 #38
Same here. Nixon at least cared for the environment. we can do it Sep 2017 #39
Happy He Included It colsohlibgal Sep 2017 #40
I wish Burns had emphasized GOP culpability a bit more than he did. jcmaine72 Sep 2017 #43
Nixon looks really bad, so far. we can do it Sep 2017 #44

Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
3. DVRed it! So glad it was mentioned!
Mon Sep 25, 2017, 09:54 PM
Sep 2017

The GOP used the same playbook against President Carter and the Iranian Hostage Crisis in 1980. Treasonous thugs!

lastlib

(23,244 posts)
21. Not to mention their selling missiles to Iran......
Mon Sep 25, 2017, 11:11 PM
Sep 2017

...then giving the proceeds to the fucking Contras. TREASON, Count #2. . .

And don't forget the Bushies outing a CIA operative!

Republikkkans--the Party of Treason.

Arkansas Granny

(31,518 posts)
4. I am learning so much about the war and the politics of Vietnam
Mon Sep 25, 2017, 09:55 PM
Sep 2017

that I never knew before. And I look at Nixon and see similarities with Trump.

a kennedy

(29,672 posts)
6. Me as well......wow, and how horrible, that war was.
Mon Sep 25, 2017, 10:02 PM
Sep 2017

So many deaths on both sides.......and for what?? NOTHING.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
5. Republican cesspool values
Mon Sep 25, 2017, 09:59 PM
Sep 2017

The GOP has a long track record of diss honorable statements and actions that undermine American democracy

Greywing

(1,124 posts)
7. and Trump is using the same tactics Nixon used in his re-election campaign
Mon Sep 25, 2017, 10:12 PM
Sep 2017

Trump needs to be knocked repeatedly down to his knees before destroying him.

blue neen

(12,321 posts)
8. Yeah, they even had the tape of Nixon lying to Johnson about it.
Mon Sep 25, 2017, 10:13 PM
Sep 2017

This whole "Vietnam" Series has been eye-opening and stunning.

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)
30. Yep. It's on par with "The Civil War."
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 07:41 AM
Sep 2017

Which, if one hasn't seen, they should. It' available to stream on PBS's web page, along with most of Burns' other documentaries.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
14. Exactly. This 1968 Democratic Convention...
Mon Sep 25, 2017, 10:36 PM
Sep 2017

coverage is unreal... Walter Cronkite lamenting that's it's beginning in a police state... it's shocking.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
17. Same here. We lived near Andrews...
Mon Sep 25, 2017, 10:47 PM
Sep 2017

and I remember watching the body bags on the nightly news. Not fully understanding but opinion being shaped...

Gymbo

(133 posts)
16. As a Vietnam veteran
Mon Sep 25, 2017, 10:41 PM
Sep 2017

The info that LBJ knew Nixon betrayed the U.S. was not anywhere as painful when I learned he didn't do anything with it. Humphrey could have won the election and Vietnam would have shut down in Months.I will never forgive LBJ for that.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
22. When did that become public knowledge...
Mon Sep 25, 2017, 11:13 PM
Sep 2017

that the Nixon campaign was in contact with Saigon to sabotage peace talks? I'm trying to understand Johnson's reticence because of the methods used (CIA and FBI wiretaps and bugs) but as Johnson said and Republican Dirksen agreed, the campaign's actions were treasonous.

Gymbo

(133 posts)
23. George Will wrote about it in 2014
Mon Sep 25, 2017, 11:50 PM
Sep 2017

I can't say positively, but HR Haldeman's notes were declassified just prior to that article and it was the first I had ever heard of it.

RobinA

(9,893 posts)
31. I Read About It
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 09:01 AM
Sep 2017

in Clark Clifford's memoir. If I remember correctly, at the time he wrote about it (1991) he stated that it was known but they couldn't prove it definitely. He seemed to have no doubt that it actually happened and even discussed how it happened. I'm not sure when it got proven.

Tactical Peek

(1,210 posts)
29. It was hinted at days before the 68 election and actually reported immediately afterward, somewhat.
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 02:20 AM
Sep 2017

But the proof, the docs and tapes, were not discovered until several years ago in the LBJ library, thanks to Robert Parry iirc.



LBJ’s ‘X’ File on Nixon’s Pre-Election Deal With Saigon

By Beverly Deepe Keever
11/22/2013

http://www.historynet.com/lbjs-x-file-on-nixons-pre-election-deal-with-saigon.htm



LBJ’s ‘X’ File on Nixon’s ‘Treason’

by Robert Parry
March 3, 2012

https://consortiumnews.com/2012/03/03/lbjs-x-file-on-nixons-treason/


It is sometimes mentioned that the Watergate break-in might have been targeting information about the peace talk treason evidence, to defend against October surprises etc.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
19. I cannot believe Paris peace talks were delayed...
Mon Sep 25, 2017, 10:59 PM
Sep 2017

for 10 weeks over three or four sides sitting at a square table.

RobinA

(9,893 posts)
32. Yep, I Actually
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 09:03 AM
Sep 2017

remember that and I was only 10. Given that year and all that went on, to a child at the time it didn't seem at all odd, just par for the course.

G_j

(40,367 posts)
25. excellent!
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 12:30 AM
Sep 2017

the little October surprise few are aware of..

Haven't seen it yet, but that is impressive.

Calculating

(2,955 posts)
26. I see the GoP was as treasonous then as it is today
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 12:46 AM
Sep 2017

Always conspiring with foreign powers to cheat in elections. Nixon was truly a POS. I have nothing redeeming to say about him.

diva77

(7,643 posts)
41. Actually, Nixon appted him to replace Harlan as an associate justice, then Reagan appointed him as
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 09:46 PM
Sep 2017

chief justice -- so we're both correct!!

Kaleva

(36,309 posts)
42. I was thinking Chief Justice but you were refering to associate justice
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 09:13 PM
Sep 2017

You are far more correct then I was!

burrowowl

(17,641 posts)
28. He and Kissinger should have been
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 01:29 AM
Sep 2017

prosecuted for treason.
Both Johnson and Obama copped out at critical times.

RobinA

(9,893 posts)
33. Johnson Absolutely
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 09:07 AM
Sep 2017

copped out at a critical time. After he announced he wasn't running he still refused to stop bombing. I would like to see an analysis of that decision, given that his decision not to run would seem to take his own political future as motivation off the table.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
38. Sad thing is, I would trade Trump for Nixon right now.
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 06:50 PM
Sep 2017

Never thought I'd ever think Nixon would be better than whatever president we have.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
40. Happy He Included It
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 08:59 PM
Sep 2017

Thom Hartmann has played a tape of LBJ detailing this in a phone conversation with I think Everett Dirkson....who agreed with LBJ.

I watchd the first two episode and hen just ordered the whole thing on Blu Ray from PBS....which benefits PBS, they deserve our support.

jcmaine72

(1,773 posts)
43. I wish Burns had emphasized GOP culpability a bit more than he did.
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 09:35 PM
Sep 2017

But overall, he did a terrific job. I'm glad future generations will at least get a glimpse of what a traitor Nixon was.

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