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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 05:22 AM Sep 2017

Tradition of NFL players standing for the national anthem invented in 2009 by US military

Last edited Tue Sep 26, 2017, 09:17 AM - Edit history (1)

https://thinkprogress.org/nfl-dod-national-anthem-6f682cebc7cd/

What the president failed to acknowledge in his rant was that many of the military displays present at NFL games were, at one time, financed by the government. Rather than organic, wholesome expressions of patriotism — the kind Trump has claimed NFL players are disrespectfully protesting — the tradition of players standing for the national anthem is a recent tradition that may have coincided with a marketing ploy meant to sell cheap, manufactured nationalism.

As recently as 2015, the Department of Defense was doling out millions to the NFL for such things as military flyovers, flag unfurlings, emotional color guard ceremonies, enlistment campaigns, and — interestingly enough — national anthem performances. Additionally, according to Vice, the NFL’s policy on players standing for the national anthem also changed in 2009, with athletes “encouraged” thereafter to participate. Prior to that, teams were not given any specific instructions on the matter; some chose to remain in the locker room until after opening ceremonies were completed. (It’s unclear whether the policy change was implemented as a direct result of any Defense Department contracts.)

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On Monday, actor and civil rights activist Jesse Williams took a similar tone, blasting the president for criticizing those players who had chosen to take a knee.

“This anthem thing is a scam. This is not actually part of football. This was invented in 2009 by the government paying the NFL to market military recruitment, to get more people to go off and fight wars to die,” he said in an interview with MSNBC. “This has nothing to do with the NFL or American pastime or tradition.”





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What a sacred and hallowed tradition!


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Tradition of NFL players standing for the national anthem invented in 2009 by US military (Original Post) DetlefK Sep 2017 OP
Because nothing says respecting the flag like selling faux-patriotism. octoberlib Sep 2017 #1
Right. Like the flags on cars that get thrashed to death in the wind. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2017 #9
Selling faux patriotism really selling bloated military-industrial complex corporate welfare budgets Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2017 #10
I've been to school, ballgames, other events woodsprite Sep 2017 #2
I was scratching my head over this one also. Lochloosa Sep 2017 #3
Yeah, its a misleading headline. bluepen Sep 2017 #4
How should I have written it shorter? DetlefK Sep 2017 #5
Tradition of NFL players standing for the national anthem invented in 2009 by US military bluepen Sep 2017 #7
The article is specific to the NFL. WinkyDink Sep 2017 #8
also i was always taught you only cover your heart during the pledge... samnsara Sep 2017 #6
Yeah, me too Madam Mossfern Sep 2017 #15
Exactly TNNurse Sep 2017 #16
I think during the WW2 years so that saluting the flag Jarqui Sep 2017 #18
Trump's grandfather was a German immigrant, so his ancestors were not tblue37 Sep 2017 #20
I know Jarqui Sep 2017 #21
Wait! You mean these righteous flag-worshipers are honoring an Obama initiative? Orrex Sep 2017 #11
Not totally true, but... TomVilmer Sep 2017 #12
The national anthem has nothing to do with sports. Vinca Sep 2017 #13
american society is becoming way too militaristic. KG Sep 2017 #14
Jingoistic. dchill Sep 2017 #17
I believe that this is inaccurate.. At the end of WWII the NFL Commissioner CentralMass Sep 2017 #19
The headline is completely false sarisataka Sep 2017 #22
Yeah, the quoted part directly contradicts the claim in the thread title. Lee-Lee Sep 2017 #23
What I find disrespectful to soldiers is that the military is using their Baitball Blogger Sep 2017 #24
+1,000 malaise Sep 2017 #25

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,005 posts)
9. Right. Like the flags on cars that get thrashed to death in the wind.
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 07:51 AM
Sep 2017

And flags kept out in rain and at night with no light on them, per proper flag etiquette.

Too many people are reflex patriots who think you can set it and forget it. Especially forget about the troops who come home injured, including PTSD.

woodsprite

(11,916 posts)
2. I've been to school, ballgames, other events
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 06:09 AM
Sep 2017

All my life where we've stood with our hand on our heart while the National anthem was played or sung, so the standing part predates that 2009 in the article. In 1992, I sang with a group that performed it for a Phillies game, and everyone stood.

Lochloosa

(16,066 posts)
3. I was scratching my head over this one also.
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 06:37 AM
Sep 2017

I was sure I heard it playing while under the bleachers smoking a joint at my High School games.

That was in the early 70's. So we got to do fun things like that.

bluepen

(620 posts)
4. Yeah, its a misleading headline.
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 06:45 AM
Sep 2017

It caught my eye because I’ve been going to college football games for decades and we’ve always done it. I’m not into pro football, so when I saw the headline I thought: What, they’ve only been doing that for eight years?

The article is about the players standing, not the fans. (Although, to be honest, I have my doubts about the veracity of the entire article.)

samnsara

(17,622 posts)
6. also i was always taught you only cover your heart during the pledge...
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 07:20 AM
Sep 2017

...when did ppl start doing it for the national anthem?

Jarqui

(10,126 posts)
18. I think during the WW2 years so that saluting the flag
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 08:27 AM
Sep 2017

was not misconstrued with what the Nazis or other totalitarians were doing

I don't think the Star Spangled banner became the national anthem until the early 1930s. So what did Trumps ancestors do for the first 150+ years since 1776?

Such BS

tblue37

(65,403 posts)
20. Trump's grandfather was a German immigrant, so his ancestors were not
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 08:47 AM
Sep 2017

doing anything with the American flag. Oh, and his mother was a Scottish immigrant.

Jarqui

(10,126 posts)
21. I know
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 08:53 AM
Sep 2017

It's just a steaming pile of BS so he can feel good about himself at the country club, where in his mind, people of color working there are just paid slaves - who should kneel down to him - not some lowly flag.

TomVilmer

(1,832 posts)
12. Not totally true, but...
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 07:57 AM
Sep 2017
In 2015, Sen. John McCain and Sen. John Flake released a joint oversight report on what they called the “paid patriotism,” saying the Department of Defense gave as much as $6.8 million in taxpayer money to professional sports teams to honor the military at games and events over the past four years. McCain criticized the move in a statement at saying, “Fans should have confidence that their hometown heroes are being honored because of their honorable military service, not as a marketing ploy.”
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/11/05/454834662/pentagon-paid-sports-teams-millions-for-paid-patriotism-events

There does not seem to be a connection from this to the claim about the 2009 change though - but there are way too much flashing of uncalled patriotism in your country.

Vinca

(50,278 posts)
13. The national anthem has nothing to do with sports.
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 07:59 AM
Sep 2017

It's like school prayer that has nothing to do with education. Just don't do it.

dchill

(38,503 posts)
17. Jingoistic.
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 08:23 AM
Sep 2017

jin·go·ism
ˈjiNGɡōˌizəm noun derogatory

extreme patriotism, especially in the form of aggressive or warlike foreign policy.

synonyms: extreme patriotism, chauvinism, extreme nationalism, xenophobia, flag-waving; More

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
19. I believe that this is inaccurate.. At the end of WWII the NFL Commissioner
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 08:36 AM
Sep 2017

Called for the National Anthem to be played at all games.

"President Herbert Hoover signed a bill into law making "The Star-Spangled Banner" the official anthem of the U.S. in 1931, giving the country a national anthem for the first time.
During the World War II era, with the addition of sound systems that allowed the playing of recorded music at ball games, the performance became standard and moved from the seventh-inning stretch to the beginning of the game, Ferris has said. The tradition spread to football games, too.At the end of the war, after Japan announced it would surrender, NFL Commissioner Elmer Layden called for all of the league's teams to play "The Star-Spangled Banner" at their games, arguing, “The National Anthem should be as much a part of every game as the kick-off. We must not drop it simply because the war is over. We should never forget what it stands for.”"

sarisataka

(18,663 posts)
22. The headline is completely false
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 09:15 AM
Sep 2017

And even the quoted text indicates that any connection is simply speculation.

Baitball Blogger

(46,735 posts)
24. What I find disrespectful to soldiers is that the military is using their
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 09:40 AM
Sep 2017

sacrifice to elevate the military's authority in this country. Our military is becoming a never-ending challenge to a country that believes in equality and free speech. We have to face off, not just against the military propaganda, but the officers who go through the program believing they're gods.

I know it was 2009 when this practice began in the football fields, but that autocratic belief has a strong racist pattern, in my opinion. If you think about it, the draft during the Vietnam War forced two demographics together. You had young black soldiers who were inducted as privates and you had a higher preponderance of white officers, many who would never have to reevaluate the racist beliefs of superiority that they learned from their red origins. How many of those white officers ever saw minorities as anything but subordinates? Their entire career was reinforced by the visual reminder that their officer's clubs had few minorities eating dinner on the next table over. And when minorities started to show up in force, they only had to deal with them on a one on one basis.

And these are the people who retire into our red Florida communities and people think they're going to make good community leaders? No wonder our red counties are still stuck in the 50s.

malaise

(269,053 posts)
25. +1,000
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 10:34 AM
Sep 2017

Further that this is being pushed by a five time a draft-dodging racist scumbag is more than I can tolerate.

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