A young man in a shop yesterday -- 'I can't believe it. I've stopped reading the news.'

I tried to wake him up. Nonetheless, it made me realize -- people are just animals, and animals get scared and hide from reality until it breaks into their lives and changes everything forever. Only when there's no other course of action do most people act.

And that's part of the Russian Plan.

And the republicans knew exactly what he is, and didn't give a damn as long as they got a rubber stamp for their crappy policies.

It's not a question of whether they are going to wish they hadn't, it's a question of when.

and king-maker limbaugh in particular, who increasingly railed against the R-con 'establishment' and made excuses for trump while dissing big money candidates rubio and bush.

they knew they were going to have problems controlling trump - R-con establisment would have much preferred rubio, bush, etc.

did limbaugh just naturally move away from the r-con establishment that created his monopoly power just because he wanted to get in front of the teabags? or did he have incentive?

he was instrumental forcing mccain to choose palin over pawlenty and lieberman, and then in creating 'climategate' from a russian hack in 2009, and then pushing US debt default in 2011. putin couldn't do better than figuring out how to steer limbaugh and his 600 unchallenged radio stations and the 300 blowhards that follow his lead on 1500 stations.

maybe mueller will find limbaugh's cyprus bank accts......

Thanks!

of the puzzle. We keep looking at the outside and we need to understand the inside.

In plain sight.

I am frankly horrified.

We seem paralyzed, like waking into a bad dream.

A good example re: NFL

"It's really catching on"...He either believes his audience is "in" on the scheme or he can't even help bragging about his treason.

Post this far & wide.

And I believe it is possible Mr. Mueller is quite familiar with this.

He is in the midst of the greatest counterintelligence operation in American history, imo.

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should still do them, of course, but the effect will be minimal -- they truly don't give a shit what we think, and in fact will double down on what we don't want just to shove it in our faces.

It's going to blow the lid clean off the Trump administration.

It's why he's teamed up with Schneiderman in NY. Drumpf can't pardon himself for a state conviction, only federal. Mueller's taken this extraordinary step because he wants to ensure that Drumpf can't get out of this and that he will get this Russian fool out of the WH, one way or another.

If they take down Trump & leave Pence/McConnell/Ryan & some of those putrid state governors in place, we'll be here again. The republican brand needs to be shown for the steaming pile of shit that it is or we'll be back here again. We thought W showed how badly they run things & what liars they are, then We elected a black man & the underbelly of America was exposed. I had no idea it was so ugly.

I mean I knew about it.. when? Sometime before the election...maybe months, I forget.
And if little old ME knows about it.......

Very enlightening.

For reading it!

Thanks so much for posting it:

I don't know what happened.

Somehow we let our guard down.

For the first time in American history, or modern history, many voters decided to apply a test of purity to the candidates, resulting in what we have now, total destruction of the human race.

Young and first time voters didnt know any better, they werent told the truth.

Anybody over 35 though has no excuse, they know there is NEVER a perfect candidate to vote for that you ALWAYS are pretty much voting for the best case scenario always acknowledging you wont get even half of what you want.


BTW, one of the reasons we WILL repeat this mistake is we cant talk about it.

I agree.

And I hope hindsight isn't futiile.

that milquetoast Charlie Rose didn't bring up that interesting fact re Dugin during his 60 Minutes puff piece with Scrofulous Steve. Nothing about the mercers, either.

And, conveniently dump's handiwork for his russian masters dovetails nicely with the agenda of the kochs and other "libertarian" assholes to wreck the Federal Government so that they can loot the country with impunity.

Putin majored in it.

Snark.

favorite "useful idiot". And Trump is far too ignorant to realize he's being played like a pawn and not the "King" he imagines himself to be. Trump is too ignorant and narcissistic to even care about the harm he's doing to our country.

Trump actually thinks he's doing a good job of running our country! I guess he IS if you're looking at it from Vladimir Putin's point of view. From America's point of view, he's an abject failure.

To me, this is him saying one thing "you can ride the bus.... just stay in the back of the bus.

And I believe he is compromised.

and sinker. Willingly following orders.

and Putin should have been enough to pull the wool off of anyones eyes.

commenting in the news are so busy lowering the standards of that office to a new pathetically low normal it's disgusting.

I find the situation far too dangerous to underestimate him.

It's bigger than just one asshole strutting and preening in front of a crowd, and talking out of his ass. You can see him insert divisive/explosive topics on various fronts, and either not following through, or getting blocked (so far) by the people (the GOP certainly isn't doing a damn thing to put the brakes on this internal menace).

He is consciously and systematically widening the ideological divide between Americans. And that not only is despicable and traitorous, it's tantamount to PSYOPS warfare.

trying different phrasing, etc. When some of the staff is objecting the hardest, that's the one he can't resist going with.

He is indeed a racist, divisive POS, but he's also desperate and he is searching lower and lower for the reddest meat he can dream up to rile and please his base, which in turn provides the distraction he needs. It's not that he is shrewd enough to set out to find distractions, it's that he is desperate for a change of subject and jones-ing for his drug of choice, attention -- positive or negative -- which as a consequence provides the needed distraction from his legal troubles.

And remember, he doesn't see or hear much about the blowback -- outrage and disapproval barely show up in his Twitter feed or in his staff-prepared daily briefings.

He is living in a BIG GIANT BUBBLE where it seems his base is huge and adores him even more when he's being vicious and racist and sexist.

Well said.

and he has created chaos, wreckage, and failure throughout his life, as demonstrated by his multiple bankruptcies and legal entanglements. Now he's just doing the same thing on the world stage.

Just like chimpy, chumpy will leave a legacy of disaster. Their previous track records of failure in both cases were un- or under- reported by a complicit media, leading enough dimwits to support these unfit men to enable them to get within stealing distance of the White House.

But this is going to cause far more damage than Bush ever did, if it isn't stopped.

He is playing with nukes.

Also, it's important to recognize that the divisiveness is impacting both the left and the right. A foreign dictator is dividing progressives in the U.S.

Don't let Putin get away with this.

I believe it was part of the strategy.

I just thought it was Trump being his bigoted asshole self because he is incapable of controlling himself or following any organized plan.

(My hubs has read a lot of Russian literature and speaks the language.)

To create an account and start telling it here, if he already isn't!

A physicist who has published some groundbreaking journal papers. But I do often send links to DU threads, saying "Read"! Sometimes he actually does.

But thank you for the invitation. I'll tell him.

Little story...
We once entertained a Russian physicist back during cold war era and I mention it to my neighbor who was a reporter. Well, we were interviewed and not just by the reporter - the Secret Service gave us a little look-see after the news article appeared. Big black car pulled up when I was out on the balcony 3 floors up. I said to myself, "can't be" but it was. Nearly spoiled myself because I had baby cannabis plants on that balcony!! They never went out there, tg. I transplanted them out in the country soon afterwards. Hubby didn't smoke and never approved. Although hubs is very liberal, we otherwise have a yin/yang thing that's lasted 50yrs this Sept. 2.

50 years is a great achievement.

I understand he is engaged in some truly important work!

That was a great story, thank you!

He's in his mid-70's and every year promises to stop working, at least as much. But he's still going stronger than ever and putting in 60hr and sometimes even 70hr weeks. Not kidding. He doesn't know what a weekend is. But he's lucky in that he LOVES his work. And being a theoretical physicist, he gets to work at home. How many folks can say that?!

I have noticed this as well. Thanks for the post and the link. I think Bannon / Miller etc are still pulling strings in regards to this strategy.

still the same room.

to bring the heat level down.

I agree, in reality he is still Trumps (and Putin's) playmaker.

even anti-democracy foreign governments, the most horrid of dictators- find it easy to use a man like t(R)ump.

a "media figure", knowing this would go over big with the tabloid crowd.

It was a brilliant move, and we must realize Hillary wasn't running against the Trump campaign, she was running against the russian intelligence apparatus.

the money laundering and other Trump business - Russian crimes are going to make that look like chump change.

Never forget what we are up against. Hillary is calling them out. Resist.

Hillary wasn't running against the Trump campaign.

She was running against the russian intelligence apparatus.

Thanks

crossed my mind more than once.

I think perhaps because he knows Mueller is inevitably going to take him down, and they are speeding up the timetable to do as much damage as possible before then.

I want to remember what you've said here.

And I want to be able to use it, down the road.

Thank you!

I am honored.

Thanks for posting this.

thank you for reading!

he knows he has the base completely unhinged and is just fucking fucking with them now.

He used the USFL to try to get into the NFL, and was rebuked, helped to crash and burn the USFL along the way.

This is very much in line with his getting revenge mentality.

Just a win, win, win for the scumbag ...

Fuck with people.
Get revenge.
Fullfilling his role as a Russian mole to tear the country apart.

The Kremlin develops its assets on a need to know basis. At best he's been a useful idiot.

Behind this is Eastern Orthodox Christianity and its dogma.

Are you ready to see Dugin's own blog site?

https://4threvolutionarywar.wordpress.com/2016/09/11/political-anthropology-alexander-dugin/

Would the FBI be interested in the insurgent religious basis of this Dugin's geopolitics?



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Dugin

More info from Russians is needed about this.

I've always held that believer dogma are behind most economic and military transgressions across continents. The landbase network goals aren't complicated but the ideas behind the aggressions appear complicated, decades in their development, with a kind of parallel Opus Dei secrecy behind it.


Believers and their centuries of political machinations creep me out.

Which I posted here.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029638028


It is very long, and his viewpoints, being Romanian, don't always line up with mine, but he hit the nail of Duganism right on the head.

Donald Trump is actively orchestrating the Finlandization of America.

Seriously.

If others around DT can understand Duginism (you give it the Anglo spelling) the name has not come up.

I find this particular intellectual frame esoteric -- a tortured attempt to explain post modern Western historical events since WWII, when such events weren't driven by these ideologies, at least not consciously.

What this guy's dry explanation amounts to, to me, is a description of Sovietism's view of the West, combined with philosophy and Eastern Orthodox religionism. They combine people's need for such fake securities of economics, religion and the secularism of the STEM world, and they offer judgmental analysis of gender, sexuality, and their attendant social dynamics.

Who is this guy? He seems as if he's reading a report for an employer, commenting as if he's a mediator. Who paid for this video. Though this talking head's goal is a hatchet job on Dugin -- using a range of sources to back up his intellectual attack on this Russian intellectual -- he could establish his credentials at the start of the video to improve his credibility.

His advice to alt-righters is the Russian propaganda practice of casting doubt on both sides of conflicts in the West, offering a little advice to both. He's even weary of himself.

I'm going to check this line of Russian thought out.

Thank you for offering it for DU's consideration.

To his madness.

I watched it putting aside his typically conservative Romanian views on the side issues, and I think he delivered a clear warning to those who can hear.

I have to wonder if his conservative stance on some of those things might have been an effort to not alienate the dupes on the right, that they might be more likely to at least consider how they are being played?

And, I fell for the Duginist ploy myself at one point.

I, as a "leftist", did exactly as he described in my comments here pertaining to Putin's actions in the Ukraine - believing that the Western backed government there was fascist, etc..

As he said, some very well intentioned people were misled.

Here we are down the road, we have Donald Trump, and I am kicking myself for being so stupid.

Thanks for thaking the time to watch and discuss, it is very much appreciated!

by letting this happen.

and they can't get the demons back in.

They're getting their way!

(quote was from same Wiki article at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics)

Anyone think the UK could have been deluged with Russian-funded Facebook ads during the months leading up to the Brexit vote?

"encourage isolationist tendencies"

Just keep a strong military and massive intelligence team close at hand!

who appear to be undermining the missions of the agencies they are appointed to lead? If our internal workings are broken, we are much more likely to be taken over, manipulated or worse...

And I believe the motivation is the one you describe.

take over power in all local and state governments and rob them blind as well!

Neoliberalize all local/state laws and eliminate regulations, even down to building and highway construction codes.

Privatize everything in sight. All federal and state buildings will be turned into either stock brokerages or GOP campaign offices.

Prison inmates will be made freely available to businesses to use as they wish.

Parks will be renamed "Parking Lots".

ALEC will be made a federal division - maybe under Commerce.

All new gummit employees will be sworn in only by the laying on of hands.

The list could go on forever - in their dreams!

And Putin/Trump are the perfect vehicle to advance this totalitarian subversion of Democracy.

This information should be assembled into a short video, taking each of these points and pairing it with an illustrated example from Trump's behavior. We can then blanket the web and Facebook to get the word out and explain to the dunces that voted for the dotard why this is such a problem for America and the world.

I want to read the book by Dugin but I am not sure there is a good translation.

to see if one exists, if so, I will post it.

Excellent idea.

only had time to watch the first 15 minutes, but it looks interesting.

There are others as well.

I was thinking of a 1-2 minute slide show with Dugin's points illustrated with images of Russian actions in our elections and Trump's collusion.

I do not have time to work on this but may I can get to it next week and see what I can do.

please p.m. me if you complete this project.

Hope you have the time.

My mother, a Fox News Pod Person, now believes any anti-fascist is "antifa" and violent. Even her own grandson was refused assistance from her for his engaging in anti-fascism.

Fox News has turned "the greatest generation" into Neo-Nazi enablers. Pretty sad commentary on our inability to communicate and vulnerability to being manipulated by very dark forces.

She has been completely brainwashed. Prefers Fox and Friends to family.

And the GOP has been on a 40 year crusade to divide people since unity is an existential threat to their goal of government by oligarchy.

But to your point, with family members who support Trump its best to stay clear of politics. They're getting something out of joining this tribe, and the tribe goes away when the leader Trump is forced out.

Sadly we are so divided that some will not attend.

Chris Thile has the answer for me. "Thank God for fermentation" . . . .

They conveniently show up at every protest, stir up shit, then the right wing blames "leftists."

Some need to be reminded, some need to understand, some need to be made aware that the country is watching them and counting on them.

And the republicans are putting career of country.

But I did see in the video he has indeed been invited to alt-right conventions.

As the man said, they are too hysterical to realize they are useful idiots.

Drumpf is more than that, he's an active Russian agent, maliciously working for our destruction and for the benefit of Father Putin. He wants bad health care 1 - to enrich himself and other 1%ers, but 2 - to destabilize us further. that's why he doesn't give a shit what's in the bill (other than repealing the black guy's bill and cutting taxes) or how many people it hurts.

is probably the proper term.

She said he isn't clueless, that what he does is intentional...

She know exactly what is going on, rest assured.

Her entire policy was geared to fighting Duginism in the Ukraine.

I'm grateful she's speaking out - we need to listen and pay very close attention.

She was on the front line against this.

Including her untiring advocacy for our 9/11 first responders. When she was called to work for the president, it was fortunate that the governor appointed my congresswoman, Kirsten Gillibrand, who has continued that work. But what we desperately need right now is someone like her in the executive branch who has experience and gets it. I'd vote for her again - for anything.

Who is really good.

I saw Hillary speak here in Erie while she was campaigning!

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Posted here last night: https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029636362

Background:

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Surkov is Putin's politcal strategist, and Dugin his politcal theorist. One need only google them and execute a cursory read of their methods and theories to realize that the gaslighting so pervasive in Putin's Russia has come home to roost in Comrade Trump's U.S.A.

Some of us here (GliderGuider, AlexSFCA, and myself) were banging this drum during the waning days of the election and into the transition. Glad to see that the blatant reality of how deeply entrenched we are in this war is starting to finally take hold here.

See the archived posts of myself and the others mentioned above for robust discussions on Dugin and Surkov.

Thanks for bringing these ideas forward.

This country suffers mightily under a heavy, culturally prescribed yoke of anti-intellectualism. As frustrated as I've been at times lately between alternately beating this drum and plumbing the depths of apathy, it is immensely encouraging to finally see some mass awareness starting to take hold; albeit only on the liberal side of the cultural paradigm.

Skäl!

I used to be GliderGuider until the admins had a disagreement with me. Now I'm a mythical beast. But Dugin is real. He and Surkov were the playwright and stage manager respectively for the Global Greek Tragedy that Putin produced for the American stage.

We called it, but people were so busy seeing the fiasco as a traditional Dem/Repub thing that the message was lost. This ain't your grandpa's WWIII, folks. This is asymmetrical 4GW - a bitwar, if you will. We've lost the engagement. Big time.

Good to see you're still around! I had noticed your absence, but had ascribed it to the same frustrated defeatism that has kept me mostly mute for months ever since it became obvious that nothing was going to change and that the battle was already lost. I've made an effort to focus on personal enrichment, my job, and my family; the latter, at times, proving to be immensely difficult as I live in Tennessee and most of my family is deeply steeped in the Trump koolaid.

I myself was taken in during the Ukraine conflict, being a "leftist."

Never again.