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Atman

(31,464 posts)
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 01:35 PM Sep 2017

Trump declared bankruptcy in Puerto Rico, defaulting on municpal bonds, teacher pensions...

"Donald Trump was one of the principals in the Trump International Golf Club in Puerto Rico. It was an elegant resort, with a 46,000-square foot clubhouse and two 18-hole courses.

Unfortunately, Trump borrowed $26.4 million in municipal bonds for new construction. He defaulted on a payment of $119,814 to the bondholders in August 2014, then declared bankruptcy on July 13, 2015, due to “financial difficulties.”

In declaring this bankruptcy, Trump defaulted on municipal bonds that contained teacher pension funds from Puerto Rico.

In other words, Trump built a golf course for other rich Americans, using Puerto Rican land and Puerto Rican money. Then when the deal fell apart, Trump declared bankruptcy…and the people of Puerto Rico were left holding the empty bag, and paying for the Trump’s debt."


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Trump declared bankruptcy in Puerto Rico, defaulting on municpal bonds, teacher pensions... (Original Post) Atman Sep 2017 OP
Is this twittering yet? Control-Z Sep 2017 #1
I'll give it a try... Atman Sep 2017 #2
Retweet. Follow. Get this out there. Atman Sep 2017 #3
Thanks, Atman. Control-Z Sep 2017 #9
Retweeted. nt Honeycombe8 Sep 2017 #14
Trump screws EVERYBODY! Nothing and no-one is left untouched. octoberlib Sep 2017 #4
Good grief Timmygoat Sep 2017 #5
First rate malignant sociopath. 58Sunliner Sep 2017 #6
I believe he used that as a distration, as well. C Moon Sep 2017 #10
Bloodthirsty leech dalton99a Sep 2017 #7
what a Son of a Bitch and Trump knows what a Son of a Bitch is Angry Dragon Sep 2017 #8
+1 dalton99a Sep 2017 #11
Politifact's take Native Sep 2017 #12
Millionaires and Billionaires should not be allowed to declare bankruptcy. SamKnause Sep 2017 #13
Yes. tecelote Sep 2017 #35
I don't understand why this is allowed. yardwork Sep 2017 #38
Because millionaires and billionaires make the rules. Atman Sep 2017 #40
As usual NO info on this shit DK504 Sep 2017 #15
It makes me furious. yardwork Sep 2017 #39
Fortune magazine says Trump didn't own the golf course. lildDemz Sep 2017 #16
Trump never OWNS anything. Atman Sep 2017 #17
This is a good point. murielm99 Sep 2017 #20
Your post is what is known as "moving the goal posts" nt vkkv Sep 2017 #31
If not for having been left a wad of money madokie Sep 2017 #18
This post IS NOT FACTUAL roomtomove Sep 2017 #19
Feel free to explain why it is not factual. Atman Sep 2017 #21
The resort was already in trouble before Trump came in the manage it. vkkv Sep 2017 #27
Trump CONTRACTED to turn it around. He took lots of fees from the resort. Atman Sep 2017 #28
Yes, Trump is a scumfuck. vkkv Sep 2017 #30
It's not accurate because borrowing muni bonds doesn't make sense A HERETIC I AM Sep 2017 #34
Facts? What are those? slumcamper Sep 2017 #23
It is at least "HALF FACTUAL." Atman Sep 2017 #25
Okay. The asshole is complicit. USER and ABUSER. That's a FACT. slumcamper Sep 2017 #32
Time to define this for what it is. slumcamper Sep 2017 #22
Well said! Trickle up success, Trickle down failures. KY_EnviroGuy Sep 2017 #36
How did I not know this? superpatriotman Sep 2017 #24
Let's be more accurate: The resort was already in trouble before Trump came in the manage it. vkkv Sep 2017 #26
I don't think this FB post is accurate::: vkkv Sep 2017 #29
Let's not lose sight of the big picture: Trump made millions, and then filed bankruptcy. Atman Sep 2017 #33
republican "values" are straight from the low side of Hell Achilleaze Sep 2017 #37
And then he sneers at Puerto Rico NastyRiffraff Sep 2017 #41
He also sneers at them because they fell for his scheme. They are not as NCjack Sep 2017 #42
A Facebook post says so, so it must be true. ROFLMAO. L. Coyote Sep 2017 #43
First of all, it was not "a Facebook post" any more than a link within a DU post is "a DU post." Atman Sep 2017 #44
Not exactly true NobodyHere Sep 2017 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author Atman Sep 2017 #46
Knowing how Trump does business, imagine this... Atman Sep 2017 #47

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
1. Is this twittering yet?
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 01:51 PM
Sep 2017

Someone needs to tweet it if it hasn't been already. If I knew how to do it correctly - so it would link to the source - I'd do it. But it's too important to fool around. It needs to be left to the pros.

Where's SHRED? He's got the twitter world figured out.

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
9. Thanks, Atman.
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 02:47 PM
Sep 2017

I'm torn between the benefits of Twitter and the dangers when abused. For things like this I love it!

58Sunliner

(4,386 posts)
6. First rate malignant sociopath.
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 02:43 PM
Sep 2017

I bet he is watching people die and liking it. He probably started the whole NFL rant to distract from their cries for help.

C Moon

(12,213 posts)
10. I believe he used that as a distration, as well.
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 02:52 PM
Sep 2017

And it worked.
Even on DU.
Look how few posts there were about PR as compared to the kneeling.
I'm guilty as well.

SamKnause

(13,108 posts)
13. Millionaires and Billionaires should not be allowed to declare bankruptcy.
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 03:15 PM
Sep 2017

They should be forced to pay their debts.

DK504

(3,847 posts)
15. As usual NO info on this shit
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 03:22 PM
Sep 2017

during the election, even pre-Super Tuesday.

The weight of their failure will / has caused so much damage.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
17. Trump never OWNS anything.
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 03:49 PM
Sep 2017

But he always says he does. He doesn't own jack shit. He puts everything in others names, and he simply rents out his own name as a brand, just like the guy who runs the Dairy Queen down the street doesn't actually own Dairy Queen.

murielm99

(30,745 posts)
20. This is a good point.
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 04:14 PM
Sep 2017

My husband always likes to point this out to people. He puts his name on things other people own. Don't stop saying this.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
21. Feel free to explain why it is not factual.
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 04:31 PM
Sep 2017

You had a window open, your fingers were moving across the keyboard. Expand.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
27. The resort was already in trouble before Trump came in the manage it.
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 04:47 PM
Sep 2017


Did bankrupt Trump golf course in Puerto Rico leave taxpayers on the hook?
By Amy Sherman on Thursday, May 4th, 2017 at 4:09 p.m.

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2017/may/04/florida-democratic-party/did-bankrupt-trump-golf-course-puerto-rico-leave-t/

We sent a summary of the golf course’s financial problems to a few experts and asked if Trump should be blamed for the bankruptcy. (These experts on bankruptcy or corporate law received our summary with links to news reports but didn’t pore over financial records for days, as McCann’s firm did.)

John A. E. Pottow, a University of Michigan law professor and bankruptcy expert, said Trump bears some blame for the failure of the golf course because he failed to turn it around. But he said it is debatable if management is to blame for bankruptcy because the context of the recession is a factor.

"I don't know if I like to ‘blame’ anyone for bankruptcy, but to the extent you want to blame people, sure, blame the president (or his company)," Pottow said.

Miami attorney Milton Vescovacci, of Gray Robinson law firm, says the only way to blame Trump for the bankruptcy would be if his involvement was so costly to the operation that it caused the business to fail, and that didn’t appear to be the case here. (Vescovacci is an expert on banking and finance and is currently working with an organization to lobby the U.S. government to allow Puerto Rico to restructure its debt)

The golf course bankruptcy is different from bankruptcies of multiple Trump casinos, McCann said.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
28. Trump CONTRACTED to turn it around. He took lots of fees from the resort.
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 04:50 PM
Sep 2017

He failed to live up to his contractual obligation, so he turned and ran and left the original bond holders on the hook.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
30. Yes, Trump is a scumfuck.
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 04:57 PM
Sep 2017

""He failed to live up to his contractual obligation, so he turned and ran and left the original bond holders on the hook."" This is not what you initially posted though..


This::""""" Unfortunately, Trump borrowed $26.4 million in municipal bonds for new construction. He defaulted on a payment of $119,814 to the bondholders in August 2014, then declared bankruptcy on July 13, 2015, due to “financial difficulties.” """ """

Is not accurate according to Politifac and Buzzfeed and a cast of bankruptcy lawyers.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,370 posts)
34. It's not accurate because borrowing muni bonds doesn't make sense
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 06:41 PM
Sep 2017

If the text is supposed to read "used a municipal bond offering" it would make more sense, but simply borrowing the bonds? What bond holder would loan out a tax free income stream?

slumcamper

(1,606 posts)
23. Facts? What are those?
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 04:36 PM
Sep 2017

The fact is, sleazy capitalist PIGS like Trump abuse the system in every way possible, for personal benefit, and regardless of any high-minded sense of social responsibility whatsoever. And the whole "America FIRST" thing is an extension of a "me first" philosophy rooted firmly in Ayn Rand. Screw everyone else.

So...spare me the details. He's an asshole who abuses the system and exploits people to the fullest extent possible.

THAT is "fact" enough for this resistor.

End. Rant.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
25. It is at least "HALF FACTUAL."
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 04:41 PM
Sep 2017

Politifact concludes:

"The Democratic Party is correct that taxpayers are left with a nearly $33 million bill, but it exaggerates when it points the finger exclusively at Trump, omitting important details about the recession’s impact on the resort and its financial woes years before Trump’s involvement.

We rate this claim Half True."

slumcamper

(1,606 posts)
32. Okay. The asshole is complicit. USER and ABUSER. That's a FACT.
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 05:05 PM
Sep 2017

Thanks, Atman.

Damn...I'm pissed off today!

slumcamper

(1,606 posts)
22. Time to define this for what it is.
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 04:31 PM
Sep 2017

Calling people like this asshole "grifters" is much, much too lenient. Moreover, it misses--by a mile--the seminal truth of the matter.

This nation's peculiar brand of capitalism encourages, creates, and sustains monsters like Trump and other such unscrupulous assholes. They use the system and exploit it at every possible chance for personal gain. Conscience is irrelevant, nonexistent.
Warped notions of exceptionalism wrapped in a heritage of class privilege and a faux nationalism that appeals to the weakest feeds narcissism at the expense of any sense of public good or social responsibility. Girded by a persistent strand of self-righteous social Darwinism, this toxic strain of individualism (freedumb) has served as a foundation for the dominant strain of conservative ideology for more than a century.

American capitalism has birthed monstrous people. Indeed, America's chickens are coming home to roost.

I have no idea why I bother preaching to the choir, as my indignation might be better spent. Let's fight these fucking bastards to the hilt.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
36. Well said! Trickle up success, Trickle down failures.
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 05:52 AM
Sep 2017

I'm the same way, slumcamper, I have to vent from time to time about this very thing. Keep on preaching. We need these reminders to encourage folks to read and understand more about the monster.

Ultimately, the everyday citizens pay for these failures via inflation, taxes and debt costs. They pick our pockets a penny at a time. Hidden in plain sight.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
26. Let's be more accurate: The resort was already in trouble before Trump came in the manage it.
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 04:45 PM
Sep 2017

Did bankrupt Trump golf course in Puerto Rico leave taxpayers on the hook?
By Amy Sherman on Thursday, May 4th, 2017 at 4:09 p.m.

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2017/may/04/florida-democratic-party/did-bankrupt-trump-golf-course-puerto-rico-leave-t/

We sent a summary of the golf course’s financial problems to a few experts and asked if Trump should be blamed for the bankruptcy. (These experts on bankruptcy or corporate law received our summary with links to news reports but didn’t pore over financial records for days, as McCann’s firm did.)

John A. E. Pottow, a University of Michigan law professor and bankruptcy expert, said Trump bears some blame for the failure of the golf course because he failed to turn it around. But he said it is debatable if management is to blame for bankruptcy because the context of the recession is a factor.

"I don't know if I like to ‘blame’ anyone for bankruptcy, but to the extent you want to blame people, sure, blame the president (or his company)," Pottow said.

Miami attorney Milton Vescovacci, of Gray Robinson law firm, says the only way to blame Trump for the bankruptcy would be if his involvement was so costly to the operation that it caused the business to fail, and that didn’t appear to be the case here. (Vescovacci is an expert on banking and finance and is currently working with an organization to lobby the U.S. government to allow Puerto Rico to restructure its debt)

The golf course bankruptcy is different from bankruptcies of multiple Trump casinos, McCann said.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
29. I don't think this FB post is accurate:::
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 04:53 PM
Sep 2017

I HATE THE DOTARD - but LET'S BE ACCURATE HERE.

""" Unfortunately, Trump borrowed $26.4 million in municipal bonds for new construction. He defaulted on a payment of $119,814 to the bondholders in August 2014, then declared bankruptcy on July 13, 2015, due to “financial difficulties.” """ ARE YOU POSITIVE ??
http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2017/may/04/florida-democratic-party/did-bankrupt-trump-golf-course-puerto-rico-leave-t/


The resort was built with support from the Puerto Rican government through the Puerto Rico Tourism Development Fund.

The fund issued about $25 million in bonds in 2000 and 2004, according to a 2016 BuzzFeed article that included documents about the golf resort’s bankruptcy.

The tourism development fund is paid for by tax dollars. If a private entity defaults on its obligations -- as the golf resort did in this case -- the fund has to make good on the principal and interest.

The resort suffered amid the recession that hit Puerto Rico a few years before Trump got involved.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
33. Let's not lose sight of the big picture: Trump made millions, and then filed bankruptcy.
Tue Sep 26, 2017, 06:10 PM
Sep 2017

It's his MO. Maybe they wouldn't have had to go belly up if Trump hadn't been sucking the profits off. That's what he does. HE gets paid first. If it doesn't work out, he say he's "bankrupt" because he is still owed money, then he gets to walk away with his profits, leaving the actual owners high and dry. He's done this repeatedly. "Other people's money." It's what he does. He should be selling those books on late-night tv.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
37. republican "values" are straight from the low side of Hell
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 07:16 AM
Sep 2017

The republican "family values" role model, Comrade Casino, the GOP's ignoble Draft-Dodger-in-Chief, has a colossal crapload of karma with Puerto Rico. And the rest of the planet.

republicans will eventually learn: lying & cheating & hating catch up with you, sooner or later. No escape.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
41. And then he sneers at Puerto Rico
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 10:29 AM
Sep 2017

for having a bad infrastructure, in the middle of a humanitarian crisis. The evil of this man is unending.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
42. He also sneers at them because they fell for his scheme. They are not as
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 11:14 AM
Sep 2017

cunning as he is, and they deserve to be duped.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
44. First of all, it was not "a Facebook post" any more than a link within a DU post is "a DU post."
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 01:56 PM
Sep 2017

It was a link to another story on another site, and the link happened to be on Facebook. I supposed your tweets above should be similarly dismissed because they're just links on DU, right?

Anyway, the key word is "MANAGEMENT." He promised to turn the course around, that is what he was contracted to do. He still got his money. He got paid either way, and the place still went belly up. To his credit, he had a good contract which apparently did not stipulate any milestones or goals. Just put his name on it, pay him, then wait until he declares bankruptcy. That's what he's (in)famous for.

 

NobodyHere

(2,810 posts)
45. Not exactly true
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 02:00 PM
Sep 2017

The golf course was already in dire straights and most of the money was borrowed before Trump got involved.

We can find better stories.

Response to NobodyHere (Reply #45)

Atman

(31,464 posts)
47. Knowing how Trump does business, imagine this...
Wed Sep 27, 2017, 04:55 PM
Sep 2017

He's no different than any vulture capitalist, except for that he's not nearly as smart or clever. He's just evil. Hes sees a failing golf course, funded by government bonds, in dire straights, looking for a savior.

He swoops in, does his song n' dance charm offensive, negotiates a contract that only benefits HIM -- he gets paid lots, no matter what happens.

He promises he'll turn things around, knowing full well he could give a shit about the golf course, because all he has to do is collect his paycheck then file bankruptcy, like he's done over and over again. That's what Trump does.

Were the official in Puerto Rico purely stupid, or were they in a state of desperation and willing prey for a con man?

Either way, Trump sucks balls, and he contributed to Puerto Rico's problems.

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