and apologize. They should also reflect on why they are obsessed with bashing him.

The bashers have way too much "invested."

Outside of your insinuation, I haven't seen any such thing around here.

I don't know what I would do without your posts!

The poster made an assertion. One I believe to be inaccurate. I stated that clearly. It was directly on point to a part of their discussion.

How do your comments flow from what they or I stated? I don't see the connection.

If you have seen something to back up their assertion, please provide it. That would be on topic.

I'm not the only person to have commented on that angle.

And you seem very charming but I don't have that kind of time.

All tucked in and sleeping now. Beyond amazing. Enjoy it.

would be disappointed that 23 million Americans still have their health insurance and the right to live? Or did I misread and you meant the GOP was disappointed. Please clarify your comment.

You do realize this failed due to CBO scores and the very hard work Democrats were doing with the phone calls and protests?

Who would be disappointed that it failed? The people who were insisting that we needed to eradicate the ACA so they could get their miraculous Medicare for all bill, which they mistake for Single Payer?

Yes, I'm sure those people are severely disappointed.

They were also probably bitterly disappointed that if it had to fail, it did so BEFORE the debate, when they could have given thanks to Bernie, in their usual worshipful manner.

Democrats, liberals, progressives and pretty much all of those of us who have been screaming for the past few years to protect the ACA and improve it, we weren't disappointed at all. We know what this bill was, who it harmed and we weren't okay with hurting people because we were privileged enough to put our purity above real human beings.

I was actually on ACA after I lost my job. Cobra...lol. 600 a month. I was getting unemployment insurance. It was all I was living on. A local hospital had an office. They ran my numbers and I was able to get on ACA. They saved my life. I am now on Medicare at triple the cost for less. I have never been in a more complicated system. They keep sending me all these huge books about what they cover and do not. The people helping *SHINE* are great, yet the info I have gotten is incorrect and I lost my doctor because of it. It is complicated and confusing and they need to fix this.

they actually don't know what medicare is. You'd think that the fact that people are paying monthly fees and need supplemental insurance would tell you it's not what's being touted as this miraculous Single Payer program.

Not everything is covered, there is a reason doctors don't love taking it, and require supplemental insurance, that's with a population that's not the entire US.

I realize it's just a catchy name, and Conyer's version isn't just Medicare for everyone, not sure what Sanders' is. But the profound ignorance and the aggressive hostility whenever anyone dare raise any questions is just insane.

You've got dudebros writing ridiculous opinion pieces about anyone daring to ask rational, simple questions and people spreading that trash to attack Democrats.

We need to address the problems in the system not just have rallies where people seek out camaraderie and wave their pom poms. Healthcare is not exciting, it requires a lot of hard boring work, just to understand what's going on, what's needed and how to achieve our goals.

Looking at Charles Gaba's site makes me a bit dizzy, there is sooooooooooooooooo much information there! And I'm interested in healthcare and public health! I guess ignorance is bliss and that's why they think it's so easy to just wave a magical wand.

I don't care HOW we get to universal healthcare, I just want us to get there, and these diehard "my way and no other" don't seem to understand the stakes for real people.

I'm glad you found people who are willing to help you navigate that maze.

It is incredibly complicated and near impossible to navigate.

I want universal healthcare as well. Ha...will probably be dead and gone before that time. Well...perhaps not...my family is know for their longevity.

Thanks~

these people spreading the propaganda that Dems are against this, are either lying, ignorant AF, or engaging in blatant divisiveness.

It's pure BS.

Have hope, SheShe! And take care of yourself, we need you around!

They'll never admit that he has done anything right

But saying I was concerned was not bashing him. So I guess I can't help you.

Why is it called "Bernie Sanders Health Care Debate"? There was a Democrat there as well. And many in the Democratic party have been fighting for universal health care for decades.

It's funny how Bernie was single-handedly killing the ACA but now that the Berniepocalypse didn't happen he is stealing the limelight.

It was all 100% Bernie Bernie Bernie...but now? Not so much.

Infighting & circular firing squad BS serves the interests of the Republicans.

I'd never bash Hillary. I love her almost as much as I love Bernie. It's lame af to bash a hard working progressive like Bernie on this forum. Super not into it.

Unfortunately, every time I come here and start reading posts, I am frustrated by how divisive some people are here. It is as if anyone who does not have the exact same opinions and feelings as they have are not "true Democrats" or are being destructive to the party. So good luck with that unity thing until the ones who are undermining it figure out that they are undermining it.

I didn't get to see the debate myself, but there are several members who would be all over DU today stoking the Bernie hate if he had performed badly, as they'd hoped and expected. Their view of Bernie does not match the reality; I've been watching Bernie for about 20 years now, so I expected him to do well. From comments here I gather that Sen Klobuchar did a good job too, which is also as I expected. Our side seems to be getting good reviews from the limited reading I've been able to do so far.

And as it is demonstrable that "no one watched" is false ....

in his debut in that time slot. Rachel finished second.

You are correct about it being "demonstrably false that no one watched the debate". In fact, the debate was the third most popular cable news broadcast on Monday in the 9:00 hour.

http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/scoreboard-monday-sept-25/342902

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/tv-news-fox-news-hannity-tops-maddow-9-oclock-debut-1043157

about Bernie.

But...................................it ISN'T about Bernie, or Clinton or Klobuchar.

It is about kitchen table issues, about articulating positions on these issues that appeal to the independent voters and then winning elections.

I'm so sick of hearing 'Bernie this,' and 'Bernie that,' that I want to puke. Leave the guy alone. He's towing the line and articulating kitchen table issues in a way that will get people to the polls to vote for Democratic candidates.

What is with all the divisiveness.

This happens on here every frickin day, and it has to stop. Who is our party's leader? Who is our bench? What are they saying? What are they doing? What is the plan for winning elections?

Honestly, I don't see much except a bunch of emails that want me to give money. Where are the firebrand populists? Jack and Bobby were like that. Where are the Democrats who can make people feel like they are right in the living room with voters? FDR was like that. Where are the Democrats who can forge coalitions, keep them together and make things happen? Where are the Democrats who know policy through and through - Obama and Clinton are both like that. So is Bernie. And there are several others.

So why in the HELL are we fighting, sniping at each other, over and over and over and over and over.......................

Unless we can stop this shit, we can forget about being a viable party, because no matter how shitty the Republicans are, and they have truly outdone themselves, if we don't seize the day and get in step with one another WE WILL KEEP LOSING ELECTIONS.

And I don't want that because we are an inch away from allowing these nazis to start another Holocaust.

Bernie is horrible because words.

-words don't pan out-

Look that didn't happen. Stop already.

Bernie is terrible because new-words.

-new-words don't pan out.

And then invariably somebody demands that "the back and forth" stop.

But my point stands. We need to learn how to win elections because we're not doing so good right now. Got a few victories in off elections, but the GOP has a huge, and undeserved majority.

My point is we have to fix that and wasting time fighting about Bernie isn't going to help us resolve the voter suppression, the Russian hacking, the failure to reach the independent voters and so on.

The left here on DU can either STFU or defend Sanders against the endless barrage of bullshit attacks. STFU seems to be the worse of those two options.

Re-read the post. He's saying Sanders supporters are in the position of either shutting up or defending him, and he thinks shutting up is the worse option.

I say bad faith alert.

Senators Klobuchar and Sanders did great.. both speak for me. This is a debate that really is "just that simple" and we can win it if we remain focused.