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Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 04:00 PM Jul 2012

US ship gave no warning, says Indian survivor - Hindustan Times

Another Glorious Victoy!! USA!! USA!!

http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/RestOfAsia/US-ship-gave-no-warning-says-Indian-survivor/Article1-890735.aspx

An Indian fisherman on board the boat that came under fire from an American naval vessel off the Dubai coast, resulting in the death of one of his Indian colleagues, said on Tuesday the crew received no warning. India has asked the US to take action. "We are in touch with our envoys in Dubai and the US and have instructed them to take it up with the respective governments... The UAE government has already filed a case," external affairs minister SM Krishna said.

US ambassador to India, Nancy Powell, called foreign secretary Ranjan Mathai to convey her regret and to say Washington would investigate the matter.

Four other crew members - two Indians and two Emiratis - were unhurt. Indian consular officials have met the wounded.

"He says there was no warning," Indian ambassador to the UAE, MK Lokesh, told AP, reporting what one of the survivors told him. Dubai's police chief, Lt Gen Dahi Khalfan Tamim, said initial investigation suggests "the boat was on its right course and did not pose any danger".

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US ship gave no warning, says Indian survivor - Hindustan Times (Original Post) Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2012 OP
He said, she said nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #1
Anyone know about how naval warnings are given? HereSince1628 Jul 2012 #2
Radio, siren, spotlights, warning shots, the boat blows up around you. leveymg Jul 2012 #4
By radio Scootaloo Jul 2012 #5
That assumes, unfortunately, that they had communications equipment dipsydoodle Jul 2012 #9
Five man fishing boat, I wouldn't guess so Scootaloo Jul 2012 #12
bingo Sea-Dog Jul 2012 #16
The navy's version of the events: ManiacJoe Jul 2012 #6
Bit like the second Tonkin of Gulf incident dipsydoodle Jul 2012 #7
Nothing like the Tonkin Gulf incident. permatex Jul 2012 #11
"The whole ships crew" counts as one witness. redgreenandblue Jul 2012 #13
Oh dipsydoodle Jul 2012 #15
In this case the language was ma duece. deaniac21 Jul 2012 #8
Just a bit of target practice then. dipsydoodle Jul 2012 #3
What with all the pirate activity Meiko Jul 2012 #10
I'm guessing they figured the boat was Iranian and decided to send a message. redgreenandblue Jul 2012 #14
horseshit... ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2012 #17
... redgreenandblue Jul 2012 #18
yeah...the Navy's event timeline is just nothing but lies to you ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2012 #19
I guess ever since the coverups of Abu Ghraib and "collateral murder"... redgreenandblue Jul 2012 #20
then we agree... n/t ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2012 #21
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
1. He said, she said
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 04:02 PM
Jul 2012

if the Navy did this right, they have all this recorded.

But in the end, a go away fee will be paid anyway.

And no, not defending this... but if the Navy did issue warnings, there is a chance the crew of the fishing boat did not get it... and the Cole is the reason for the trigger happiness.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
2. Anyone know about how naval warnings are given?
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 04:07 PM
Jul 2012

In the movies it's a shot across the bow...but in real life?

Off the coast of an Arab nation how would that be done?
In English? In an Arab language In Hindu? or French???

In some combination of multiple languages? by loudspeaker, by radio?

Is there an internationally known set of flags that indicates "You're Trespassing Space I'm Defending?"

Experience in previous events has shown confusion often contributes to these things.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
5. By radio
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 04:31 PM
Jul 2012

A message is sent to the encroaching ship, and it goes something like &quot nationality) vessel, this is (U.S. Ship), you are approaching too near to us. Change course, or you may be fired upon"

Usually delivered in English, of course, though given the locale, probably someone on hand to give it in bad Arabic as well. THis is probably a product of both confusion, and itchy triggers; it's not exactly the safest tract of ocean.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
9. That assumes, unfortunately, that they had communications equipment
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 05:14 PM
Jul 2012

Last edited Wed Jul 18, 2012, 06:10 AM - Edit history (2)

They didn't.

The white-hulled, dark-bottomed boat appeared to be a civilian vessel powered by three outboard motors. It had no obvious military markings. The skiff was 50 feet (15 meters) long and carried no communications gear, according to the U.S. military description.
http://news.yahoo.com/indian-fisherman-no-warning-gulf-shooting-130354199.html

He said: "We had no warning at all from the ship. We were speeding up to try to go around them and then suddenly we got fired at.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/us-navy-fires-fishermen-without-warning-150801711.html

 

permatex

(1,299 posts)
11. Nothing like the Tonkin Gulf incident.
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 09:22 PM
Jul 2012

In another thread you are believing one survivor against the whole ships crew.
There will be audio and video recording of the whole incident.
The boat was warned several times by different methods and when it failed to heed the warnings, it met Ma Duece.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
15. Oh
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 06:13 AM
Jul 2012

"American Planes Hit North Vietnam After Second Attack on Our Destroyers; Move Taken to Halt New Aggression", announced a Washington Post headline on Aug. 5, 1964.

That same day, the front page of the New York Times reported: "President Johnson has ordered retaliatory action against gunboats and 'certain supporting facilities in North Vietnam' after renewed attacks against American destroyers in the Gulf of Tonkin."

But there was no "second attack" by North Vietnam — no "renewed attacks against American destroyers." By reporting official claims as absolute truths, American journalism opened the floodgates for the bloody Vietnam War.

A pattern took hold: continuous government lies passed on by pliant mass media...leading to over 50,000 American deaths and millions of Vietnamese casualties.

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2261/

2nd attack was a navy lie.

 

Meiko

(1,076 posts)
10. What with all the pirate activity
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 05:45 PM
Jul 2012

around the world today I am sure the Navy has issued standing orders on dealing with situations like this. At a certain point the sequence is almost automatic and the other ship gets fired on. After the Cole bombing the Navy has taken a very defensive stance and you just can't approach a Navy ship, ignore the warnings and expect to walk away unharmed.

Even if the boat did not have radios it looks like ample warning was given. I don't understand the logic of the boat owners. Why would you attempt to closely approach a US Naval vessel for no reason.

redgreenandblue

(2,088 posts)
14. I'm guessing they figured the boat was Iranian and decided to send a message.
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 06:07 AM
Jul 2012

In essence that makes this an act of terrorism.

ProdigalJunkMail

(12,017 posts)
17. horseshit...
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 06:57 AM
Jul 2012

it has to do with the fact that there is a security perimeter around any Navy vessel. you approach any Navy warship (or supply ship) at high speed and do not change course when warned to do so you will be strafed as well.

'act of terrorism'...yeah, horseshit.

sP

redgreenandblue

(2,088 posts)
18. ...
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 07:23 AM
Jul 2012
Dubai's police chief, Lt Gen Dahi Khalfan Tamim, said initial investigation suggests "the boat was on its right course and did not pose any danger".

from the article...

No mention of "approaching the Navy ship at high speed".

ProdigalJunkMail

(12,017 posts)
19. yeah...the Navy's event timeline is just nothing but lies to you
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 07:29 AM
Jul 2012

and, really, you're taking a quote from someone who didn't SEE anything?

you're just one of those people who believe ANYTHING the US military does is wrong...I guess that attack on the USS Cole by a small craft never really happened.

sP

redgreenandblue

(2,088 posts)
20. I guess ever since the coverups of Abu Ghraib and "collateral murder"...
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 07:34 AM
Jul 2012

...and how those "internal investigations" went down (i.e. didn't happen) I don't have much faith left that the US military would be truthful.

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