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Tony_FLADEM

(3,023 posts)
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 05:21 PM Jul 2012

Terror Grips the GOP As Obama Foresees Texas as a Battleground State

During a speech in San Antonio, President Obama said something that will give Republicans nightmares. Obama told the crowd that someday Texas will be a battleground state.

Obama was talking about the flood of campaign ads drowning voters in swing states, when he said, “Let me just say this, in the next four months, you know, you guys won’t see them because you’re not considered one of the battleground states, although that’s going to be changing soon.”

President Obama wasn’t just dishing out red meat to the audience. Texas is the most reliable and largest Red State in the Republican column, but a rising Hispanic population along with the Republican Party’s alienation of Latino voters on the immigration issue is opening the door for Democrats in the state.




http://www.politicususa.com/terror-grips-gop-obama-foresees-texas-battleground-state.html

In what year do you see Texas becoming competitive? I would say 2020.

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Terror Grips the GOP As Obama Foresees Texas as a Battleground State (Original Post) Tony_FLADEM Jul 2012 OP
What happened to Texas? It was largely Democratic until after the 1970's Fla Dem Jul 2012 #1
What caused it? Outright stupidity coupled with boatloads of fraud and more than a smattering of... truebrit71 Jul 2012 #2
Bush and Rove .. ananda Jul 2012 #3
Tom Delay.....Dick Armey.....ad nauseum.. lastlib Jul 2012 #10
Poor leadership at the state level Gman Jul 2012 #4
That's also true. ananda Jul 2012 #5
If you want to go way back Gman Jul 2012 #30
Reagan's "Southern strategy" Fozzledick Jul 2012 #8
Nixon's, actually WilliamPitt Jul 2012 #15
Nixon started it, Reagan cemented it and hopefully Obama kicks the fucker down. Drunken Irishman Jul 2012 #26
Republican congress messing with the districts (gerrymandering). Avalux Jul 2012 #19
Hot Tub Tommy and his Gerrymandering. chalky Jul 2012 #20
The elites in the state were largely Democratic until the 1960s/1970s realignment. Selatius Jul 2012 #25
Same thing that happened to most southern states... Drunken Irishman Jul 2012 #27
Ride 'me podna flamingdem Jul 2012 #6
I think it could have been 2008 if he had picked Richardson as VP Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #7
So many people from the West Coast moved, there, too. (and the cowboy hat? so cute!) n/t progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #9
Thirty years ago the GOP developed a strategy and it paid off "Big Time" Bandit Jul 2012 #11
Obama rawwwwks that cowboy hat Skittles Jul 2012 #12
Hehehehe Iliyah Jul 2012 #13
Here's the VIDEO and a related article Tx4obama Jul 2012 #23
He was just giving the GOP a taste of what to expect in 2016: swing state Texas bluestateguy Jul 2012 #14
I'm not sure I want to be a member of any party that would ever again nom the likes of either. Chan790 Jul 2012 #22
Texas USED TO BE Democratic not too long ago. Remember Gov. Ann Richards? Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #16
Locally, Democrats had more weight. Nationally? No way. Drunken Irishman Jul 2012 #28
To be fair, states usu. vote for hometown boys (3 Bush elections). Reagan won almost the whole Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #31
Obama is right, that's why the GOP sent the Gerimandaring(sp) to the USSC who ruled in their uponit7771 Jul 2012 #17
San Antonio area will go blue; was 4 years ago. Avalux Jul 2012 #18
It was the Reagan revolution that started it Ishoutandscream2 Jul 2012 #21
In 2008 over 3.5 MILLION Texans voted for Obama. I think there will be even more in 2012. Tx4obama Jul 2012 #24
I hope the democrats have strong presidential candidates lovemydog Jul 2012 #29

Fla Dem

(23,785 posts)
1. What happened to Texas? It was largely Democratic until after the 1970's
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 05:41 PM
Jul 2012

Even then, Texas had a Democratic governor in the '80's & 90's and a Democratic Senator until 1993. What caused a Blue state to turn so Red?

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
2. What caused it? Outright stupidity coupled with boatloads of fraud and more than a smattering of...
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 05:43 PM
Jul 2012

...pure Texas bullshit...

See: Governor G.W. Bush and Governor Rick A(hole) Perry for more in-depth answers...

Gman

(24,780 posts)
4. Poor leadership at the state level
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 05:43 PM
Jul 2012

a revolving door of party chairs, a state committee that is more an elite club than leadership. And it goes from there down to many local levels.

ananda

(28,885 posts)
5. That's also true.
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 05:45 PM
Jul 2012

The Democratic party is weak and lukewarm here.

Bill White should have slaughtered Rick Perry for governor,
but there just wasn't much of a campaign there. I know
because I went to the Austin headquarters for a month
to phonebank, and it was ridiculous.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
30. If you want to go way back
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 09:50 PM
Jul 2012

The party hasn't won a statewide seat since Bob Slagle was chair of the TDP. Slagle was the best chair I ever remember.

Slagle resigned in the middle of his term when Bill White (that Bill White) circulated a letter and got several influential people to sign off on it saying Slagle needed to resign. White was elected TDP chair by the SDEC. Under White the party fell apart. He moved on and a revolving door of chairs led to weaker and weaker leadership.

Rather than have an orderly succession and waiting to run against Slagle at the convention, White came back from DC, thought he was owed something and overthrew Slagle. This is why I was less than enthusiastic about White running for governor.

OTOH, white did a great job as mayor of Houston and was an wxcellent candidate. But I'll never forgive White for what he did to the TDP.

Fozzledick

(3,860 posts)
8. Reagan's "Southern strategy"
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 06:25 PM
Jul 2012

Openly recruiting all the white racists in the South into the Republican party.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
19. Republican congress messing with the districts (gerrymandering).
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 09:26 PM
Jul 2012

Tom Delay was a big part of that...and then there was Bush.

Selatius

(20,441 posts)
25. The elites in the state were largely Democratic until the 1960s/1970s realignment.
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 05:00 AM
Jul 2012

The New Deal Coalition pretty much began splintering apart after the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act and the the movement for more social freedoms as well as the anti-war movement against Viet Nam. All of these essentially meant the base of voters that gave rise to the New Deal Democrats had split apart along socially liberal and socially conservative lines and along racial lines, and the lines exist to this day.

Since the split, the divide has seemingly become entrenched. Propaganda after the Fairness Doctrine was removed only helped cement those in the working class who vote for Republicans into place with the idea that minorities are out to take away their country and their jobs. In reality, they have more in common with poor blacks and poor hispanics than they do with the wealthy 1%, but good propaganda has shown time and time again that people can be made to do the bidding of the elites.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
27. Same thing that happened to most southern states...
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 05:09 AM
Jul 2012

A great deal of the bigoted-wing of the Democratic Party abandoned the party for the Republicans once Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act.

The state's rightward turn was sharp in the 60s. While Humphrey won the state in the '68 election, it was mostly because Wallace took 18% of the vote there. Hump won the state 41-39 over Hump - while four years earlier, LBJ carried the state 63-36. In '72, Nixon and his Southern Strategy, won the state 66-33 - or even a larger margin than LBJ carried in his landslide eight years earlier. Carter briefly was able to break through there, but that was temporary and only because he was a Southerner.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
7. I think it could have been 2008 if he had picked Richardson as VP
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 05:45 PM
Jul 2012

2020 is a pretty good bet, depending on who the nominee is in 2016.

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
11. Thirty years ago the GOP developed a strategy and it paid off "Big Time"
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 06:53 PM
Jul 2012

They decided the ONLY way they could change America was from the bottom up. they decided they needed to control every small election, from dogcatcher to school board, to mayor and so on.. They did exactly that and look what has happened to America...It has gone batshit crazy...

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
14. He was just giving the GOP a taste of what to expect in 2016: swing state Texas
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 08:16 PM
Jul 2012

Texas can be won if Hillary or Brian Schweitzer were to be the candidate.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
22. I'm not sure I want to be a member of any party that would ever again nom the likes of either.
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 11:06 PM
Jul 2012

Schweitzer is a non-issue, the guy has no electability nationally for the same reasons he's popular back home.

I've covered it enough times before and don't need to rehash but I'm not kidding...I will leave the Democratic Party if Hillary Clinton is ever our nominee for President. It's taken too long to get the Democratic Party back on the right track, even if we're not yet back to as liberal as I'd like. No more Center-Right Democrats ever again. She's done a good job as S of S but that's as high as I hope she ever goes.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
16. Texas USED TO BE Democratic not too long ago. Remember Gov. Ann Richards?
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 09:17 PM
Jul 2012

It is also not the most reliable red state. It's solidly red, for sure. But it's not dark red, like Louisiana and I think a couple of other southern states.

My county, for instance - Dallas County - is blue. So is the Austin area.

The Bushes live here, so that sealed the Republican deal for awhile, altho it was Republican before then. But Bush won the governorship by claiming to be bipartisan, work across the aisle, compassionate (none of which he was), AND he was a bit successful in appealing to hispanics

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
28. Locally, Democrats had more weight. Nationally? No way.
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 05:12 AM
Jul 2012

The state has only voted Democratic once since the '72 election and that was Carter in '76. Nixon won it. Reagan won it twice. Bush won it twice. Dole won it. Bush won it twice. McCain won it and Romney will win it.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
31. To be fair, states usu. vote for hometown boys (3 Bush elections). Reagan won almost the whole
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 10:20 PM
Jul 2012

nation in 1980, so TX voted how even blue states did.

That means it only voted Republican when it logically could have easily voted Democratic in:

1984 (Reagan's 2nd term)
1996 Clinton (Dole)
2008 Obama (McCain)

But yeah, it's easier to get Dems on a local level in pockets. But we've elected Perry quite a few times! Go figure.

As opposed to Louisiana, right next door, which is dark red. I guess because when Republicans win there, it's a landslide, but it's more balanced here in TX.?

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
17. Obama is right, that's why the GOP sent the Gerimandaring(sp) to the USSC who ruled in their
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 09:22 PM
Jul 2012

...favor of course because the USSC aint worth shit.

Tarrant county will turn blue, in less than generation and Fort Worth will fall...

The DNC leadership in the state is crazy lazy, change them and go after baggers ...

Texas has the demographics to go blue

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
18. San Antonio area will go blue; was 4 years ago.
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 09:23 PM
Jul 2012

I am thankful for that, living here. I think Texas becoming a swing state will happen sooner than later.

Ishoutandscream2

(6,664 posts)
21. It was the Reagan revolution that started it
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 10:57 PM
Jul 2012

Saw my first Republican primary place ever in 1980. Hardly anyone voted Republican. Oh, we had our a smattering here and there, but they were rare. Reagan and the radical right set the stage for many Texans to switch their party affiliation, including my congressman and family friend Ralph Hall, who changed from Dem To Rep. in the 90s.

And I agree with you. 2016 will see inroads, but give it another four years after that. A lot of old, radical right wingers will be dying off or dead by then.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
24. In 2008 over 3.5 MILLION Texans voted for Obama. I think there will be even more in 2012.
Wed Jul 18, 2012, 04:30 AM
Jul 2012

Texas is more PURPLE now than red.

I think that 2016 depending on the candidate - the Democrats will win Texas

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