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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRomney is certainly going to do one of two things very soon
He is either going to cough up the tax returns or he is going to throw in the towel.
Because the greybeards are telling him to do one or the other.
Which one do you think he is going to do?
Any guesses?
Don
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)He's a Special Person. He's the one Joseph Smith prophesied.
If the Republicans want him off the national stage, they're gonna have to hook him off.
NNN0LHI
(67,190 posts)That is the end.
And I am positive he has heard that threat already.
Don
GarroHorus
(1,055 posts)He will not drop out and he will not release the tax returns.
And, of course, he will not win.
The GOP will go all in to win Congress and cut their losses, including the Super PACs.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)He won't step down, now way. I really don't think he will release any more tax returns either. There are things in there that he can't afford to let out. It might show he did commit voter fraud. They might show he "was" actually claiming on is tax forms he ran Bain during the time he "says" he wasn't. They could show he has a lot more money outside the U.S. or that he invested in companies that outsourced jobs. All kinds of things that could hurt his run for the WH.
I still am not sure the republicans really want to get rid of him. I think he is the sacrificial lamb, like McCain was. They really want to keep the house, and try and take the senate. There are no plans at all coming from republicans on how to fix the mess Bush got us into. No ideas on "real" job creation, no ideas on replacing the health care law with their own bill that would actually "help" those that need the help or those with no insurance. They just don't act like they really care about the WH, if they really did think they could take the WH, why did they run the three ring circus clowns for the nomination instead of some of their "A" team who might have gotten more republicans behind them?
No, I think Romney is the one, and he will stay till Obama wins in November. It will be his last shot at running, and I really think the plan was letting Romney lose so all those who dropped out this year, Jeb Bush, Thune, Christie, etc. will have a better shot at winning in 2016. If Romney were to win, they would not be able to run again for 8 years, and that is not their plan.
I think the plan is to force all the money from the democrats into the presidential race so there won't be as much going out to the senate and house races. From what I hear republicans are dumping a lot of money into those races where they think they might have a chance to win against democrats. If they can continue to block things in congress, they can do more damage than if they lose the house and senate, but take the WH. I really don't think they trust Mitt to be their puppet like Grover said they needed in the WH.
Just my two cents worth.
dmkinsey
(840 posts)once he loses this election they'll be rid of him for all time.
ThomThom
(1,486 posts)I have a friend who grew up in that church and says he is not the one
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)flamingdem
(39,320 posts)but Steele just said he'd have to do it.
What's weird here is so many pukes saying that, it might mean he loses hugely to Obama or is indicted..
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Reposting
My Prediction: He admits staying at Bain
He gives a speech modeled after Reagan's "I sold weapons to the Iranians" speech and peppers it with phrases like:
Compared to my usual workload, this was nonexistent
I attended a couple meetings and signed a few documents a year
The salary was less than 1% of my usual earnings at Bain and my workload was reduced by the same amount
I can see now that even this slight involvement, in a purely oversight capacity, should have been disclosed and I regret not being more precise in my statements
The underlying tone is "I am so freaking important that this trivial few hundred millions in deals isn't even worth remembering".
This gets him out of all the false SEC filings and the perjury issue. He then needs to own the fact that his company outsourced while he was still there. It can be spun as "I understand the global economy and anyone who doesn't isn't qualified to be President in this day and age". It won't be easy to stand up to the attacks for having cost Americans their jobs but he is going to be attacked for that even if he never moves past the denial phase.
I don't see any other path. He won't drop out and Ron Paul isn't going to beat him out of the nomination. Even a floor battle seems unlikely, although that is still possible. He can't stay in denial forever because the evidence is overwhelming. He has to do it. The only question is when. Maybe right before the Olympics, or just a few days before. This limits the news cycles that the story can dominate and by the time the Olympics end it will be old news.
At least, if I were in his position this is what I would do. Then again, I am not a lying sack of shit so expecting him to do what I would do might be the wrong approach.
aquart
(69,014 posts)Says A: his team is incompetent and B: the problem is a whole other very bad thing.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)change the conversation enough that the call for his tax records would be forgotten about, at least for a while.
This guy has multiple issues to deal with.
I was wrong about the perjury thing too. There are statements that directly contradict each other and both of which carry with them legal consequences for not being truthful. Prosense has a thread up about it.
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)It will only be because of pressure from conservatives and Country Club Republicans.
RedStateLiberal
(1,374 posts)Not enough time to really go through them of course, but then he can claim that he's released them when he hasn't actually released them at all.
"Reporters were given access to my tax returns and they found nothing of interest" - or something like that.
If he does release returns he may wait until right before or after announching his VP pick so all the focus goes off his tax returns. He'll find some way to spin himself out of this hole or just keep lying and hope it all goes away.
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)I think that Bill Simon (R) for governor of California did that in 2002. After playing keep away with the tax returns for weeks, he finally allowed reporters to inspect the returns in a room for like 15 minutes.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)He MIGHT release a couple more years, and be ready to spin it.
MineralMan
(146,327 posts)He will not become President. So, I don't really care which he does. He's toast.
spanone
(135,866 posts)his only ace in the hole is releasing all of them, unless of course...........
don't know what he's gonna do.
he's dying everyday this goes on....
trueblue2007
(17,237 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)I think they're going to pull the plug on his campaign money and redirect it to the House and Senate races.
Redford
(373 posts)Something is in there that can be exposed or contorted. He will run on the "if you were as rich as me you would hide your money from the feds, too" mantra. It will appeal to the people on the other side.
Frankly, the people who would vote for him could be shown a picture of him smoking pot and screwing a pig and they will still vote for him because he has a "R" after his name.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)but it will be another boring white guy and the move will fall flat
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)and hope the issue eventually goes away. VP announcement soon... RNC in six weeks... Maybe a counter-attack ad against Obama... All migjt divert medias attention.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)He has all the delegates he needs. He knows how to bully.
I think he rides it out and is the nominee without releasing any more tax returns. The media will tire of the story as rMoney gets peevish and refuses to release. Sooner or later its going to be painted as Obama being "pushy" and "aggressive" since the right wing media will need a new angle to keep the story shiny and fresh - they'll turn on Obama and the other mouthpieces will fall in line with the new RNC meme du jour.
krawhitham
(4,647 posts)jimlup
(7,968 posts)Apparently both choices are unacceptable to him.
I could be proven wrong - I guess we'll see. But I'll go on record as saying he's not going to do either.
lady lib
(2,933 posts)and try to change the subject.
KharmaTrain
(31,706 posts)I expect that Team Obama will move on soon...leave the question out there as it hasn't gone away and can be stoked again later. Next we'll examine Willard's tenure with the Olympics and see what kind of a "savior" he was and how he relied on his own federal bailout to turn things around. We're sure to see sweetheart contracts between the USOC and Bain entities and lots of waste. So much for being the "patriot"...
madokie
(51,076 posts)I seen where he got a 3 hundred and some odd thousand dollar pocket change, for him, from the federal government to turn that around. I'm sure he being the grifter he is some of that wound up in his pocket.
KharmaTrain
(31,706 posts)From what I've read Willard hasn't thrown a dime of his own money into this campaign...it's all been off of "contributions". We saw in the rushpublican primaries that all the Citizens United money kept failed candidates in the races longer simply cause they still were bringing in the cash or had a sugar daddy writing the checks.
Logical
(22,457 posts)lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)He may change his mind, but he firmly stated today he wants to run on the economy bullshit. He won't formally throw in the towel, but he never had any intention of revealing that he's a fucker cheating lying job killing thieving motherfucker.
madokie
(51,076 posts)lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)And really, what is the potential upside of releasing the taxes for him? At best, it will be campaign fodder by the ton because he is lost in defining himself so he is being defined at will and with little effort and no trips out on any limbs.
The tax returns have always been a flaw but wouldn't have framed in anything like fatal terms if he didn't arrogantly lie to have his cake and eat it too about obvious shit that a TeaPubliKlan deflects a lot a harm by owning being a greedy ass but Robme wanted to sell him self as something he absolutely isn't to get easy outs of moderately tough questions.
I also see no real reason for him to drop out either. They have no one else and there is no reason for anyone with any supposed potential to take the stink. He has a shitload of money already, I'd guess top five all time.
Perhaps, mostly no one has enough pull to make him or the juice to flip enough of his delegates to force him out because I just don't see him letting go this close with his apparent levels of entitlement.
patrice
(47,992 posts)but who's going to do that kind of giving in this situation, after all but admitting everything anyone is saying about them by pulling this candidate.
Warpy
(111,336 posts)and just tell the peasants that's all they get to gawp at.
I mean honestly, how dare we demand transparency from someone of his exalted position?
elleng
(131,081 posts)He'll select a runningmate.
ThomThom
(1,486 posts)the third option is to press on and try to put up smoke screens like this cronyism stuff about the President
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,437 posts)it's already, in fact, happening, with his new smears on President Obama's "attacks" on businesses. His announcement of a VP will suck some of the oxygen from Bain as well but that's to be expected.
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)Romney isn't going anywhere.
Btw, do you have a link to greybeards telling Romney to quit?
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,437 posts)and, at this point, it doesn't even matter IMHO. To the extent that people care about it, Romney is screwed. He's already implied that he's got stuff in there that isn't going to make him look good or that will be fodder for the Obama campaign, so if he does release them, well, it will be interesting to pick them over and see what's in there. I'm thinking too that the Bain attacks will end up being like a slow-release poison for his campaign. Now that the information is out there about Bain, it will be harder for Romney to run on his Bain experience- his supposed "strength"- and if he does bring it up as being a good reason to elect him POTUS, President Obama can gently remind everybody what that all entails- offshoring, outsourcing, "retroactively" not being in charge of Bain, etc.