special tax specifically on guns and ammo.

registered to the buyer

can you think of a single mass killing where we don't know who did it?

who originally bought, etc

the $25 bullet will help with the mass shootings

have you ever considered grounding your solutions in the legal, the practical and the possible? Maybe then you will actually accomplish something.

Defacto bans are unconstitutional. You should know that by now.

you need to be smarter than this - Ted Nugent and his buddies are kicking your ass. The bar is pretty low yet you still can't win.

I will bid you farewell

Because one guy just did $100 M in damage, counting the lost lives at a million apiece.
What does the gun lobby suggest to make those people whole?

Obviously you can't make the dead ones whole, or restore legs and brain function to those who have lost it...but lots of hospital bills to be paid and lost wages. Who can make them whole? Why should THEY have to pay?

healthcare is a right.

Because there's not really good data, because the NRA doesn't want the problem to be studied.

Or else they don't see it as a problem.

If it advances the conversation beyond "fuck the NRA" and "let's ban all guns". We might actually have an adult conversation here at DU on the matter.

The ATF can't successfully track the few million firearms already in the NFRTR database (machineguns, short guns, and silencers) let alone even begin to register all of the 300+ million regular guns... but hey, lets have them start tracking the literal trillions of bullets out there.

And to address the $25 bullet vs. mass shooter myth: It's only cost like $1000 to kill 40 people. Craving a mass killing? Just need a credit card

try again. BTW - depending on comedians for gun control policy is not a good idea.

Or did you mean de facto meaning actually, in fact or factual?

An action that for all practical purposes has the same impact as a ban. A huge tax on ammo would have the same impact as a ban on guns.

Both center on "taking responsibility" or "speaking out" for events that are truly out of their hands. Neither gun owners nor American Muslims have any control on the actions of a criminal intent on doing harm.

They are speaking out In favor of no controlls and no restrictions.

My hobby is aviation. There's a constant effort in the aviation community to make it safer.

I like to drive my car. I pay insurance in case someone gets injured by my car.

I'm not hating on gun owners. I'm hating on people trying to stop civilized laws being passed to reduce gun violence. And on people making fun of nongun people for not knowing a clip from a magazine or an automatic from a semi. Some of us don't want to become experts at this. We just want progress to be made toward making America less of a weekly slaughterhouse.

The problem with guns is neither side can talk because it's become a culture war and compromise isn't wanted, only the complete surrender of the opposing side. I personally think civilian semi-auto rifles should be left to 10 round or less fixed magazines (M1 Garand style) or bolt and lever action + shotguns. For handguns, since the semi-auto is pretty much the standard, I'd limit magazines to 10 rounds.

But the culture war gets in the way. Legally to do any of this, the government has to buy the noncompliant guns/magazines at full market (retail) value, but people have this hard on for financially punishing the other side. With such ill will, nothing can get done.

No desire to financially punish gun owners, but I do consider the costs to society that are associated with this pastime / hobby to be unfairly borne by innocent victims and their families. Further, it is a hobby / pastime that is largely pursued by a small percentage of the population.

Aviation is expensive not only because it must be made safe for passengers and pilots but also for people on the ground.

Encouraging guns that have safety devices and working to keep them out of hands of the mentallynill including deomstic abusers won't stop all mass murders, but would be great places to start.

Number of US gun owners exceeds 80,000,000. How is that a small percentage?

And what I mean is I see post after post of childish punishment or culture war concepts like insurance, or heavy license fees, or ammo fees that wouldn't survive contact with a court, let alone be accepted by any gun owner. It's just mental masturbation.

If we really as a society want to get rid of high capacity magazines or semi-auto rifles, we need to be willing to buy those back at full retail value, or even higher to entice people to part with them. If we guaranteed that lever action, bolt action, and shotguns would be not be impacted and would be uncontrolled, nearly the entire hunting side of gun ownership would likely agree. I think most owners of high cap mags would probably part with them for a 200% profit. Over payment would show benevolence and also show that we clearly want to get these off the street.

But we are not going to do this, and so nothing will get done. Even if we implemented a harsh law, we'll pay for law enforcement at thrice the rate we could have bought this stuff off the streets. Because when push comes to shove, it's still a culture war.

insane occurrences should have to be 100% covered by the NRA.

Because, well you know, that's the least they could do.

private tRump plane to PR to air lift people to the mainland or opening up his tRump Vegas hotel to victim's families, food and lodging pro bono..the least he could do but like the NRA, fat chance.

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