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SHRED

(28,136 posts)
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 02:52 PM Oct 2017

A few things that could be done

Come down HARD on unregistered gun possession.

Require insurance for registered guns.

Come down even harder on unregistered (or registered) modified to be automatic weapons.

Strong national background check with no loopholes.

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wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
2. None of that could have prevented this. There is only one thing that would have
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 02:58 PM
Oct 2017

prevented this. That is the absence of guns.

It seems that no amount of death by guns will ever change our gun culture.

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
3. This is NOT about totally eliminating these tragedies
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 03:04 PM
Oct 2017

We need to work towards making them rare.

Banning all guns isn't gonna happen unfortunately.

 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
5. Our gun culture has changed drastically in my 71 years. When I was a kid we had 22 cal
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 03:23 PM
Oct 2017

rifles and shot guns. I went hunting with my dad.

There never was any desire to buy automatic hand guns or rifles. Some people owned small pistols but they never carried them unless they had a permit and a dangerous job.

Today seems anyone can carry around any kind of weapon they want.

Our gun culture has become a danger to average people and it has to be reversed. Our gun culture is devolution.

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
12. I remember back in the days when every redneck had
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 04:36 PM
Oct 2017

a gun rack with guns in their pick up truck parked in the school parking lot. Guess what? Not one single shooting. Not even a threat. My friend had learned to shoot a gun by 7 and by eight was butchering cattle with his father. back then the kids would put guns in their locker to go hunting when school was over. Guess what? Not a single shooting. Not even a threat. Times have changed and not for the good. I used to be a gun advocate way back but my views have changed drastically and I mean very drastically.

 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
13. I remember that if you carried a gun in your vehicle it had to be out in the open visable to cops
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 04:39 PM
Oct 2017
 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
4. Well let's see
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 03:08 PM
Oct 2017

First, there isn't national gun registration.

All that are registered are a tiny subset of guns, less than 1%, that are machine guns or short barrel rifles. But it's recently come to light that the BATFEs records are so bad that they have a huge error rate- to the point that it looks like people being prosecuted for possession of an unregistered machine gun may not get prosecuted for a while because a conviction relies upon testimy that it wasn't registered and that the registry is accurate.

If they can't get it right now with a tiny fraction, trying to register all guns will be a huge fiasco and failure. And that's what happened when Canada, with far fewer guns, tried it.

Only two places offer firearms liability insurance, and only one is a major player- the NRA. And you get a discount if you are a member. If you want to make the NRA 100x richer force people to buy a product only they sell. And it would be a waste of effort because insurance never covers criminal acts.

Illegal manufacturing of a machine gun is a felony punishable by 10 years, and posession is also, so that's 20 years. Not sure how much stiffer a sentence is needed.

Make NICS aces sable to individuals doing sales instead of forcing them to pay a dealer $25-75 per gun to do checks for people on sales and you will see opposition to universal background checks largely go away. But for some reason UBC proponents don't like that.

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jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
8. What are "unregistered guns" as opposed to just "guns"
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 03:34 PM
Oct 2017

It's not as if guns, apart from some very special ones, require registration of any kind.

Before coming down "HARD on unregistered gun possession", one would need to register them in the first place.


Sancho

(9,070 posts)
9. People Control, Not Gun Control - posted again when these shootings occur
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 03:36 PM
Oct 2017

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
11. Anything that can be done will be rationalized as either unworkable or it simply maintains the statu
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 03:50 PM
Oct 2017

Anything that can be done will be rationalized as either unworkable or it simply maintains the status quo by the woodies who think nomenclature is more relevant than life.

maxsolomon

(33,400 posts)
15. Finally regulate the Militia well.
Mon Oct 2, 2017, 04:49 PM
Oct 2017

It's right there in the Amendment, and IDGAF if "well-regulated" is amorphous or anachronistic.

I'm talking Marching Up and Down the Square. 2x/year, all weekend. As a start.

No more "Unorganized Militia". You want the power of semi-auto firearms, you have responsibilities to the people of America.

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