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Tommy_Carcetti

(43,190 posts)
Tue Oct 3, 2017, 09:44 AM Oct 2017

Well-intentioned but ultimately counterproductive suggestion I hear after every mass shooting.

"We should never mention the name of the shooter again or talk about him. We should make this about the victims, not him. We shouldn't make this guy famous for what he did."

I get it. I understand it. But in the end, we can't afford to play ostrich in the sand.

We can't pretend people died without trying to understand how they died, and what warning signs or measures should have been heeded that might have prevented it. We owe it to ourselves.

And that means--as uncomfortable as it is--we need to discuss Adam Lanza. We need to discuss Jared Loughner and James Holmes. We need to discuss Charles Whitman. We need to discuss Stephen Paddock.

We need to discuss these people and their horrific actions not to celebrate them or make them famous, but to see what could be done in the future to make this type of event a far less common occurrence.

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Well-intentioned but ultimately counterproductive suggestion I hear after every mass shooting. (Original Post) Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2017 OP
I don't disagree, but we're DROWNING in understanding. Girard442 Oct 2017 #1
Easy to tell wolves from sheep. MarvinGardens Oct 2017 #3
This is not the time to post about gun control. L. Coyote Oct 2017 #2
Agree. MarvinGardens Oct 2017 #4
Yes, but focusing on them in the wrong way can also be a distraction. kcr Oct 2017 #5

Girard442

(6,082 posts)
1. I don't disagree, but we're DROWNING in understanding.
Tue Oct 3, 2017, 10:02 AM
Oct 2017

It's like a pack of wolves have descended on a flock of sheep and we're imagining if we could only get a better autopsy of the dead sheep our improved understanding of the exact mechanism of death would lead to a solution.

We know what happened to the sheep: they were torn apart by wolves. Wolves aren't sheep with an alternate point of view -- they're wolves. The sheep will keep dying until the wolves are stopped.

MarvinGardens

(779 posts)
4. Agree.
Tue Oct 3, 2017, 10:41 AM
Oct 2017

It is important that we as a society try to figure out what gives someone a head full of bad ideas like this, and not all of us who ask are in the "thoughts and prayers" category attempting to distract from gun control. No civilian needs the kind of firepower he had, and that's part of the answer, but we'd be even better off answering the "why", since someone like this can still do a lot if damage with a car, ammonium nitrate (which he had as well), etc.

I work in the field of biomedical research. I think after every such incident, immediate blood samples should be drawn from the suspect (living or dead), and frozen for later research studies. Some of us out here have some hypotheses, but they aren't easy to test right now.

kcr

(15,318 posts)
5. Yes, but focusing on them in the wrong way can also be a distraction.
Tue Oct 3, 2017, 11:05 AM
Oct 2017

Focusing on the perpetrators in the wrong way won't help and will actually do more harm if they're only used as scapegoats. For example, focusing on how evil/mentally ill the shooters are gives gun advocates a way to distract from lack of gun regulation. It can also be stigmatizing, because not all or even most mentally ill people are violent. Mass shootings happen because of easy access to lots of guns. THAT should be the focus.

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