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A conservative Christian moves to Canada
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/article/2012/07/12/how-i-lost-my-fear-universal-health-care
When I moved to Canada in 2008, I was a die-hard conservative Republican. So when I found out that we were going to be covered by Canada's Universal Health Care, I was somewhat disgusted. This meant we couldn't choose our own health coverage, or even opt out if we wanted too. It also meant that abortion was covered by our taxes, something I had always believed was horrible. I believed based on my politics that government mandated health care was a violation of my freedom.
When I got pregnant shortly after moving, I was apprehensive. Would I even be able to have a home birth like I had experienced with my first 2 babies? Universal Health Care meant less choice right? So I would be forced to do whatever the medical system dictated regardless of my feelings, because of the government mandate. I even talked some of having my baby across the border in the US, where I could pay out of pocket for whatever birth I wanted. So imagine my surprise when I discovered that midwives were not only covered by the Universal health care, they were encouraged! Even for hospital births. In Canada, midwives and doctors were both respected, and often worked together.
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I started to feel differently about Universal government mandated and regulated Health care. I realized how many times my family had avoided hospital care because of our lack of coverage. When I mentioned to Canadians that I had been in a car accident as a teen and hadn't gone into the hospital, they were shocked! Here, you always went to the hospital, just in case. And the back issue I had since the accident would have been helped by prescribed chiropractic care which would have been at no cost to me. When I asked for prayers for my little brother who had been burned in a camping accident, they were all puzzled why the story did not include immediately rushing him to the hospital. When they asked me to clarify and I explained that many people in the States are not insured and they try to put off medical care unless absolutely needed, they literally could not comprehend such a thing.
I started to wonder why I had been so opposed to government mandated Universal Health care. Here in Canada, everyone was covered. If they worked full-time, if they worked part-time, or if they were homeless and lived on the street, they were all entitled to the same level of care if they had a medical need. People actually went in for routine check-ups and caught many of their illnesses early, before they were too advanced to treat. People were free to quit a job they hated, or even start their own business without fear of losing their medical coverage. In fact, the only real complaint I heard about the universal health care from the Canadians themselves, was that sometimes there could be a wait time before a particular medical service could be provided. But even that didn't seem to be that bad to me, in the States most people had to wait for medical care, or even be denied based on their coverage. The only people guaranteed immediate and full service in the USA, were those with the best (and most expensive) health coverage or wads of cash they could blow. In Canada, the wait times were usually short, and applied to everyone regardless of wealth. If you were discontent with the wait time (and had the money to cover it) you could always travel out of the country to someplace where you could demand a particular service for a price. Personally, I never experienced excessive wait times, I was accepted for maternity care within a few days or weeks, I was able to find a family care provider nearby easily and quickly, and when a child needed to be brought in for a health concern I was always able to get an appointment within that week.
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eridani
(51,907 posts)I'm too old for Canada to take me, but I wish.
eridani
(51,907 posts)Honest mistake.
LittleGirl
(8,291 posts)They can't book me until October. I have great insurance but there are still wait times in this country for basic care of some things.
RockaFowler
(7,429 posts)SemperEadem
(8,053 posts)I had my first experience with vertigo back in April--very frightening when you don't know what's wrong with you. I have to wait until August to get the ear testing... meanwhile, the vertigo is still there and all they did was throw pills at me.
Anyone who says that there is no waiting to see a doctor in this country is flat out lying. Even with good insurance, you have to wait.
ananda
(28,876 posts)You can treat BPV yourself by going to youtube and looking at
the repositioning exercises. Do them for awhile and your vertigo
will disappear.
SemperEadem
(8,053 posts)Skittles
(153,193 posts)who cares about that?
other than that, I'm glad she finally saw the light.
AnnieK401
(541 posts)Thanks for posting. I hope some Republicans here see this.
geckosfeet
(9,644 posts)deployed around the world. Not to mention all the corporate and business tax shelters and subsidies. The government needs to put our money where their mouth is.... or something like that.
How I Lost My Fear of Universal Health Care
I also discovered that the Canadian government looked out for it's families in other ways. The country mandates one year of paid maternity leave, meaning a woman having a baby gets an entire year after the birth of her baby to recover and parent her new baby full-time, while still receiving 55% of her salary and their job back at the end of that year. Either parent can use the leave, so some split it, with one parent staying at home for 6 months and the other staying at home for 6 months. I could hardly believe my ears when I first heard it. In America, women routinely had to return to work after 6 weeks leave, many times unpaid. Many American women lost their jobs when becoming pregnant or having a baby. I knew people who had to go back to work 2 weeks after giving birth just to hang onto their job and continue making enough money to pay the bills. Also every child in Canada gets a monthly cash tax benefit. The wealthier families can put theirs into a savings account to pay for college someday (which also costs far less money in Canada by the way), the not so wealthy can use theirs to buy that car seat or even groceries. In the province we lived in, we also received a monthly day care supplement check for every child under school age. I made more money being a stay at home mom in Canada than I do in the States working a close to a minimum wage job. And none of the things I listed here are considered "welfare" they are available to every Canadian regardless of income. For those with lower incomes than we had there are other supports in place as well.
If a woman gets pregnant unexpectedly in America, she has to worry about how she will get her own prenatal care, medical care for her child, whether or not she will be able to keep her job and how she will pay for daycare for her child so she can continue to support her family. In Canada those problems are eliminated or at least reduced. Where do you think a woman is more likely to feel supported in her decision to keep her baby, and therefore reduce abortions?
And lest you think that the Canada system is draining the government resources, their budget is very close to balanced every year. They've had these programs for decades. Last year Canada's national debt was 586 billion dollars, the USA has 15.5 trillion dollars in national debt. Canada has about one 10th the population of the US, so even accounting for size, the USA is almost 3 times more indebted. And lest you think that taxes are astronomical, our median income taxes each year were only slightly higher than they had been in the States, and we still got a large chunk of it back each year at tax time.
How I Lost My Fear of Universal Health Care
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C_eh_N_eh_D_eh
(2,205 posts)See, while our hospitals aren't controlled by the government, they are funded by the government. And since health care is usually at the top of the shit list whenever it's time for a new round of budget cuts, especially in a conservative province like Ontario, a lot of our hospitals are overcrowded and understaffed. Family doctors work short hours, imaging clinics and specialists are booked solid for months in advance, and too many of our skilled professionals are lured away by the higher wages they can make Stateside. We used to joke that Canada's health care "system" is only a step up from dying on the curb to dying in the waiting room. Oh, and you still need insurance for all the things the government plan doesn't cover, like prescriptions drugs, physiotherapy, and dental care. We might not be paying out the ass for hospital care, but that other stuff can get pretty damn expensive.
Granted, we're a lot less resentful about all this now that we've seen what you Yanks have to put up with, but it's still far from perfect.
Yavin4
(35,445 posts)you can elect better legislators and improve your system. It's under your control via your vote. In the U.S., our healthcare is under the control of the uber-wealthy.
SemperEadem
(8,053 posts)and, as usual, it wasn't until her own,personal experience changed that she could then drop her "US xtian" attitude that only those fit to afford health care had a right to it and see that all humans deserve health care. She would not take anyone else's word for it before it happened to her.
"I started to wonder why I had been so opposed to government mandated Universal Health care."
I'll tell you why: you chose to be not to be intellectually curious, as many fundamental xtians prefer to be; instead, you preferred being like a sheep, being told what to think. Anyone who took the time to educate themselves, you sneered at them being "elitist" and "uppity"
2labslib
(48 posts)The difference between conservatives and liberals is the conservatives don't give a shit until it happens to them. They can't stand the idea of giving another person a leg up and bettering someone else's life.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Reading this should make it crystal clear that cons lack the requisite mental capacity to participate in society. they should ALL be stripped of their right to vote, and committed to insane asylums
eridani
(51,907 posts)I mean lesions in those areas of the brain that process information about "how would I like it if someone else did that to me?"
Romulox
(25,960 posts)"Universal healthcare", just so we're clear.
Patiod
(11,816 posts)"People were free to quit a job they hated, or even start their own business without fear of losing their medical coverage."
I use this to talk to my conservative friends. Even they agree that tying health insurance to employment isn't doing anyone in the US any good.
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4_TN_TITANS
(2,977 posts)so many of us here have had to eat crappy jobs just for some semblance of benefits. Employers learned long ago that if you are middle-aged with children, you'll tolerate a lot just to keep benefits.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)...and until the American Working Class & Poor realize WE have MORE in common with each other
than we have in common with the 1% and their employees in Washington,
nothing much will change.
"Medical Bankruptcy", a term unknown in civilized countries,
will still be BIG Business here in the good ole USA,
perhaps ever BIGGER as 40 Million already hard pressed Working Class Americans try to convert their mandated "Bronze" Health "Insurance" into actual Health "Care".
flyguyjake
(492 posts)I'm all for it... Bring it!
My 52yr old healthy Mom pays $650 per month for Kaiser. She will only pay $350 under ObamaCare
I'm 36, healthy and was paying $375 per month for Anthem Blue Cross until I could no longer afford it.