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Tommy_Carcetti

(43,199 posts)
Thu Oct 5, 2017, 11:15 AM Oct 2017

Anyone else wonder how and why Tillerson came to be Secretary of State?

Zero government, diplomatic or public foreign policy experience.

Sure, he's got some experience as Exxon CEO dealing with foreign governments, but it's apples to oranges when we're talking about private sector vs. public sector.

His name came up rather quickly, right after the Madman had cruelly teased the job for Mitt Romney (which was painfully obvious was nothing but a vindictive act against Romney for him speaking out against Trump during the campaign.)

But who suggested it, and why?

I don't know the answer to either of those questions, but I'm thinking it had to do with Russia. The only question is, on what end was Tillerson recommended?

Was it Trump's offering to the Russians, giving somebody to them who could be seen as a friendly face due to his past dealings with the Russian government?

Or did it come at the "suggestion" of the Russians, who viewed Tillerson as "their guy"?

One way or another, I doubt that the fact that the guy once received a medal from Putin himself is just a coincidence.

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Wounded Bear

(58,717 posts)
2. No coincidence...
Thu Oct 5, 2017, 11:21 AM
Oct 2017

Trump values the ability to make a deal, and Exxon-Mobil CEO Tillerson brokered one of, if not the biggest oil deals in history with Putin and the Russians. It was shut down by the Obama sanctions. Russia wants those sanctions lifted because Exxon-Mobil has the tech and resources to drill for that Arctic oil. You put that together with Trump's chummy relations with Putin and Tillerson is a natural choice to handle the one foreign policy thing that Trump gives a shit about.

Did Putin recommend Tillerson to Trump? Possibly. Is Putin "forcing" Trump to keep Tillerson on the job? Wouldn't surprise me.

I've often stated that I consider Trump to be a fully owned subsidiary of Putin, Inc. I have seen nothing to disavow me of that position.

brush

(53,871 posts)
5. Yep, Tillerson was put in place to facilitate getting the sanction off and then complete the...
Thu Oct 5, 2017, 11:28 AM
Oct 2017

trillion dollar oil deal which trump has a piece of.

That's it in a nutshell.

brooklynite

(94,740 posts)
4. Don't attribute intent to that which can be explained by incompetence...
Thu Oct 5, 2017, 11:24 AM
Oct 2017

...Tillerson is a rich businessman running a multinational company. In Trump's mind, "rich" means "successful" which means "capable".

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,199 posts)
6. The sad fact is.....
Thu Oct 5, 2017, 11:29 AM
Oct 2017

......whatever you think of Tillerson, he's arguably a far, far, far more competent businessman than Trump.

Which probably explains Tillerson's heavy resentment of having to take orders from a four times bankrupt carnival barker reality star who masqueraded as a businessman.

Alpeduez21

(1,757 posts)
7. Russia wants a $500 billion oil deal
Thu Oct 5, 2017, 11:33 AM
Oct 2017

that Tillerson(Exxon) brokered. That's why. Trump wants a piece of the action.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
10. He came highly recommended by Wayne Tracker
Thu Oct 5, 2017, 11:58 AM
Oct 2017

Now there's a name you don't see much of anymore. I wonder why?

delisen

(6,044 posts)
12. It is about Republican Oilers, Russia, and Exxon
Thu Oct 5, 2017, 12:10 PM
Oct 2017

Let's get real-Republican Old guard wanted Tillerson.Putin wanted him. Pence put together the claque of praise for him for public consumption and to limit questioning in the senate advise and consent process.

Trump was not a decision-maker. He was an order-taker.

Information is out there. Several Bush administration players with Big Oil connections acted as either advisors for Tillerson's selection or as cover for her selection.

Condoleeza Rice (also Bush's expert on Russia)
Stephen Hadley, Robert Gates, James Baker, Dick Cheney-all heavyweights in oil and national security.

They either/or worked in advance for his appointment or "celebrated" it afterward.

Pence was supposedly involved in reaching out to these heavyweights-whose position in Washington politics could ease Tillerson's confirmation by the Senate.

Surely there is big money involved for each of these vetters in pushing through the Exxon deal. This is their industry, they are investors and may all be still players. Condoleeza Rice has a firm doing business in the oil industry.

While the Bush family may despise Trump for his vicious attacks on Jeb Bush, the oil interests are still paramount.

Putin, Trump, Pence, the Republican old guard and oil power players- their interest coincide and that is why Tillerson is Secretary of State.

Here's how CNN reported on Tillerson at the time. It appears to me that the article is describing a charade or sham decision-making process.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/13/politics/rex-tillerson-robert-gates-condoleezza-rice/index.html

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
13. One of the main factors was that none of the ones that you would expect to be tapped were willing
Thu Oct 5, 2017, 12:46 PM
Oct 2017

There was considerable interest among the nuttery class to nominate Bolton, who was listed as a nominee for Asst Secretary of State until Tillerson quashed that.
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