and hoping we could come up with someone to win the next election.

What do you think much of the discussion right at this site concerns?

You're implying that Bush didn't do any of those things?

The reason Obama is stuck with them is because of Bush, who also sanctioned torture and launched an illegal war in Iraq.

No, of course not.

Bush did most of them. I did write about the "bush tax cuts." Clearly those were done by bush (hence the name). Im not implying anything other than that Obama has continued the very same policies that we hated so much in Bush, and, in some instances, escalated those policies.

"President Obama categorically disavowed torture when he came to office"

-Is he still using the tactics? Does the US still waterboard?

"and closed the secret CIA prisons where so much of the abuse took place."

If they are secret, how do we know he closed them? How do we know he didnt build a new one? Or reclassify it as an 'information center' instead of a prison? Finally, GITMO is still open.

candidate to vote for, and it's a damn good thing for Obama, cause he would be gone in a heart beat next November.

"I call bullshit, and especially with his signing of the NDAA bill today."

...the hell does NDAA have to do with torture and the Iraq war?

that allot lately (or forever).

Obama has a duty to protect empire. He couldn't be president if he didn't. He'd be history if he didn't.

It isn't Obama that is the problem, it is the empepror's clothes he wears.

and let somebody that can do the job (as in Primary him) do it.

No one with a chance and any sense would even try it.

Obama loves being the emperor and wearing the clothes. They all do.

We are subjects to empire. Empire can wipe our ass off the face of the earth, ya know?

mean.

Now it is just a bit more legal?

Some here might claim they never would, but really, we know better. We are all in danger.

you imagine how a Republican President will abuse it?

Gawd that is awful. That is why we must get rid of republicans and their ilk.

But getting rid of empire would make all the people of the world safer.

a President that would order the execution of an American citizen without a trial or anything?

still the better choice. Who on that side of the fence would be better?

Here, this should help:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101414264

taking allot of liberties in signing the bill, when something else could have done a better job.

you know, not signed the bill in the first place if he was so concerned with liberties.

If he went with that plan, he woudlnt have had to write that long explanation and he could have spent the afternoon watching the Northwestern vs. A&M game.


He only signed it because he is so concerned with our liberties. Just like I only hit my wife because I love her so much. (insert that shrugging-in-disbelief-smiley-face-guy)

better than what's in the Clown Car, but am not happy.

he also did lots of other bad things too and there wouldn't be any health care mandate because the (R)s would have let things keep on going the way they were going. That was much worse than the HCR that we got.


I can't believe you put the actions in Libya as a bad thing. Come On!

But if Bush did it, would we be behind it?

Congress wont fund it and you blame Obama...Obama is not a god damn king and is not wealthy enough to close Gittmo out of his own pocket...he has time after time asked for the funds and has been denied by congress, inclusing many dems.

This is why I hardly come to this site anymore...it's no longer based on facts, just on emotionsl fantasies!

PB

" We would be calling for his head and we all know it. "

...you are calling for his head! What if Bush did this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/100294294

Actually, I'm waiting for someone to come up with an angle to credit Bush for it.

And part of the reason he is not, lies at the feet of Holder/Obama. That may have something to do with Obama signing the NDAA bill as well. It's called CYA, cover your ass.

"Bush is, was, and always will be the scum of the earths chrust that should be behind bars."

...you heard: Bush ended the Iraq war.

F*cking mess left behind.

"but the US still bears responsibility for the F*cking mess left behind. "

...glad that's cleared up!

mandate to buy insurance? So the Republicans could share some of the credit or blame
for it I suppose.

From a WaPo (I know, I know. But they make a good point here) article

"Take health-care reform. The individual mandate was developed by a group of conservative economists in the early ’90s. Mark Pauly, an economist at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, was one of them. “We were concerned about the specter of single-payer insurance,” he told me recently. The conservative Heritage Foundation soon had an individual-mandate plan of its own, and when President Bill Clinton endorsed an employer mandate in his health-care proposal, both major Republican alternatives centered on an individual mandate. By 1995, more than 20 Senate Republicans — including Chuck Grassley, Orrin Hatch, Dick Lugar and a few others still in office — had signed one individual mandate bill or another."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/obama-revealed-a-moderate-republican/2011/04/25/AFPrGfkE_story.html

rules for different presidents. Shame.

Even one bad apple spoils the whole bunch in the barrel, and you have more than one rotten apple here. It's classic.

Yes.

was he doesn't like to put labels on things.

and I've heard much disagreement. We're between a rock and a hard place with a 2-party system and a press that serves the 1%.

What would you have us do?

Thats why I joined DU. I figured we could work out a plan. We all seem to be smart folks. Lets see what OWS 2.0 can achieve.

What are some ideas you have (its always good to brainstorm).

thanks!

we have many ideas about what we'd like to do.

n/t

Ended DADT
Killed Bin Laden
Enacted Wall Street Reform
Enacted Health Care Reform
Enacted Payroll Tax Cut
Enacted Mercury Pollution Controls

And the rest of the stuff that President Obama haters write off as "the list"

you are in DU...Obama accomplishments means nothing on 2 websites I know of...DU and FOX News...

www.whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com

That people realize that we have a Democratic President in the White House

Gitmo is not closed because Congress would not fund it, not because the POTUS wants it to stay, which would have been the case with Bush, so the inclusion of that one is either dishonest or uninformed.

The COS did NOT calls the liberals retarded, he called their ideas retarded. Again, this is either dishonest or oversensitive (if you can't stand your ideas called stupid then you need to get out of politics).

Obama has asked the wealthiest Americans to pitch in, so that shows more dishonesty or exposure of oneself only to far left wing sources and completely ignoring the President and then judging him on rumors.

The tax cuts were extended in order to get unemployment extended and middle class tax cuts extended.

Practically all of your examples are invalid. Things Bush never would have had to contend with (he would have extended all of the tax cuts, it's amazing they weren't permanent and that proves Rs cannot get all they want).

Several examples of when he caved in (giving in to the republicans on the tax cuts when he 1. could have said no or 2. done something about it before 2010).

2. So the COS calls the ideas of his main constituents/their ideas "fucking retarded" and thats cool with you?

Oh and you ignored the rest of the stuff on the list and tried to write it off with "practically all of your examples........"

Well, no, not practically all of my examples. You cited two things and wrote them off as not being a big deal.

When is enough enough. When do we stop revering him as some god that saved us. It isnt just that he gives in to the republicans. Its not like he presents the liberal plan and then waters it down. Its that he presents the republican plan first and then makes it more draconian when they scream about it.

It's the complainers who wish he had been one.

If you can't stand having your ideas attacked, politics is not the place for you. Yes it is cool for someone to call your ideas stupid. If you can't respond but just start pretending it was calling you stupid personally and that you need pity for that, it's not going to advance any of your so called arguments.

That is not a responsive post.

a response to the headline of your post.

And no one has. It's the type of hyperbole that has come to characterize our "critics from the left," to the point that their hair on fire proclamations are greeted first with skepticism.

we shall have to agree to disagree. BTW there is a brilliant sunset right now. Dark gray storm clouds lined with a vibrant red. Very cool.

doubling down on reagan's plan for education and adding a government push to privatization to his NCLB on steroids plans for American schools.

Oh. And you don't expect an serious answer from the usual crowd, do you. For them, it's easy. When bush does it - it's bad. When Obama does it - it's good.

I don't blame Obama nearly as much as the gang of enablers and Dem-LItes that have not only allowed but cheered the transformation of the Democratic Party into the reagan democrat Party.