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DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
Fri Oct 6, 2017, 11:09 PM Oct 2017

the Florida baby boomers? (a really disturbing article)

first off, let me go ahead and say something that bears repeating, and that I will repeat again and again, especially in light of the fact that those wanting to demonize or offend will zip right past it. Many of the baby boomers do deserve credit for help bring about what painfully little progress we have in the modern era. If you're reading this, even if you are a "centrist", you are well to the left of the people I'm about to rail against. Please keep that in mind, because however divided we Democrats are,, we all know who the common enemy is, and the last thing we want to do is do the hard work of slashing each others necks that the GOP is too stupid and lazy to do.

this is the article that set me off:
http://www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/2017/10/05/still-booming-with-retirees-the-villages-gives-trump-gop-edge-in-florida/

Long story short, the article claims that whatever democratic trends in Florida may happen, the state is gain abundant supply of politically active Republicans from other states. Of course, that is music to GOP ears, as it means that Florida will be in a safe hands even before they have to go ahead and steal votes. I have to confess, I want to question this article, mainly because I have a very naïve belief that people who have experienced the 20th century would not be so foolish. Selfish yes, but not foolish.

The people who populate the villages are people who made a living up north during the post FDR era. But people who bought their products were mostly union types who had the money to buy their products. they make their money up north, in cities that thanks to FDR, and infrastructure that help people make money. Even folk in the farm belt needed infrastructure to get their goods to market, and the government investment helped make that possible, be it roads, electricity, water, education, or any number of other things that allow people to thrive. These folks saw medicare come to pass, they are old enough to remember the way that their grandfathers and grandmothers suffered for years that could never be called "Golden."

And yet, they are actually pushing Florida to the right, as they live in communities that were built for them based on what the 20th century allowed them to accumulate. If the article is correct, they love Trump more than ever. I am not as old as them, but I remember Donald Trump when he first came onto the scene back in the 80s. These folks should remember the way he made an himself for the better part of 40 years! Yet, he is their hero, and the one that will make America great again for their grandchildren.

First off, I really hope this article missed something. If this article is true, there is a great way ready to make the votes of Hispanics, Blacks, millennial's and everybody else irrelevant to the point that the GOP will not even need to steal votes. It also says that either is great way simply does not care, or worse, for all experience, they have no clue why they are living much better than their parents ever did.

I really do not want to listen to the devil on my left shoulder; he is the one saying that a lot of those folks in the nursing homes thought they were going to live that "Florida" lifestyle. He points to this article in the same newspaper:
http://tbtpics.tampabay.com/opinion/columns/ruth-the-florida-legislature-failed-to-protect-seniors/2337885

the one where our governor did a very good job of hiding as a bunch of retirees roasted to death. I tell the devil on my left shoulder "I would not wish that they my worst enemy." the devil responds: "you know that's exactly what they plan to do to you, right? And they are voting in the same person who is budget slashing will make the prosperity these fools knew a very distant memory." I confess I'm angry, but even the death of some Red Cap wearing, former union, used to have Medicare person in what Florida calls a nursing home or worse in whatever hovel they have left after Trump passes his budget does not bring me solace.

And then the devil says again: "come on, how much of that is really due to the fact that you know, as miserable as these folks are, you'll get it worse, and while their roasting in my house, they will keep saying "those brats deserved it! I think I better not let Trump come down here, he's competent enough to take over my job! "

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the Florida baby boomers? (a really disturbing article) (Original Post) DonCoquixote Oct 2017 OP
Not every last one, but the majority of the Silent/Boomer Generations Dawson Leery Oct 2017 #1
As I read that first article, my sense of dread mountain grammy Oct 2017 #2
You will love Venice. GulfCoast66 Oct 2017 #12
thanks mountain grammy Oct 2017 #19
One of the comments called the villages God's waiting room. muntrv Oct 2017 #3
Boomers are a pretty conservative group lovemydogs Oct 2017 #4
Ok, read the second one. Guy's a good writer. mountain grammy Oct 2017 #5
2 of my sisters live in the villages. mopinko Oct 2017 #6
I know that many Boomers hate this DonCoquixote Oct 2017 #7
Here's my simple overview from history and memory... defacto7 Oct 2017 #8
"the hypnotic effect of ignorance" Perfect description. mountain grammy Oct 2017 #20
I'm 64, and every single baby boomer I've ever known is a liberal. Mr.Bill Oct 2017 #9
avoid florida DonCoquixote Oct 2017 #16
I'm am early boomer, born in 1948. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2017 #10
I'll help you out DonCoquixote Oct 2017 #15
Thank you. Please start a thread with this. Ntd raccoon Oct 2017 #18
Born in '49- Leftist Democrat- Scratching & clawing to survive all these years- work 'till I die NBachers Oct 2017 #11
49'er here; 1949. All Boomer haterz can go hang. Or maybe they'd prefer the jungles of the Viet WinkyDink Oct 2017 #13
well DonCoquixote Oct 2017 #14
You forget the Clinton years (Bosnia hardly counts). Obama, moreover, isn't a Baby Boomer, born in WinkyDink Oct 2017 #17
did I say they were DonCoquixote Oct 2017 #23
After Irma expect an influx of new VERY liberal Puerto Ricans to newly reside in FL flamingdem Oct 2017 #21
98% of the Villages is white according to the article mnhtnbb Oct 2017 #22
exactly DonCoquixote Oct 2017 #24

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
1. Not every last one, but the majority of the Silent/Boomer Generations
Fri Oct 6, 2017, 11:32 PM
Oct 2017

did well for themselves, voted for Ronnie Raygun and his debt bubbles, build massive McMansions, and are now going to leave the kids with the bill.

I knew of several GI's who said they regret giving their children an easy life.
They got spoiled.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/may/17/generation-sociopaths-review-trump-baby-boomers-ruined-world

mountain grammy

(26,644 posts)
2. As I read that first article, my sense of dread
Fri Oct 6, 2017, 11:49 PM
Oct 2017

blew into a full blown anxiety attack. I'll be 70 the end of November. We are about to spend our first winter in North Myrtle Beach, SC. with a side trip to Venice, FL where my neice lives. I'm scared. Maybe they'll turn me into a Republican. My neice is a good Dem, we went to the DC Women's March together.

Going to read the second. Hoping to find calm. Getting out the Indica.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
12. You will love Venice.
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 03:43 AM
Oct 2017

Plenty of Democrats there and when strolling in the warm winter weather no one will be talking politics.

lovemydogs

(575 posts)
4. Boomers are a pretty conservative group
Fri Oct 6, 2017, 11:54 PM
Oct 2017

As a late boomer I will say that this generation are largely center to far right.
They are quite conservative in their thinking.
But, one thing about boomers, they make terrible politicians and leaders. Since we took over politics has been at its worst and our politicians are about as corrupt as in the gilded age.

mountain grammy

(26,644 posts)
5. Ok, read the second one. Guy's a good writer.
Fri Oct 6, 2017, 11:59 PM
Oct 2017

Do I feel better? not much, but I have a devil on my shoulder too saying, the nursing home fate is too good for these trumpers who think things are so bad in America while they enjoy Medicare, Social Security and other benefits republicans would gleefully take away from them.

No, they'll never get me, but I'm so ashamed of my generation. I had such high hopes for us.

will start reading more of the Tampa Bay Times.

mopinko

(70,197 posts)
6. 2 of my sisters live in the villages.
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 12:07 AM
Oct 2017

the only thing they dont like about it is being surrounded by trumpkins.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
7. I know that many Boomers hate this
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 12:16 AM
Oct 2017

and were fighting all along since 1980, but this article got me sick. The absence of 'well the millennial and xers ruined everything" that is common gave me hope.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
8. Here's my simple overview from history and memory...
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 12:55 AM
Oct 2017

Those born in the late 40s through the 50s and grew up in the 60s were either the love children, freedom, down with the establishment, super liberal, socialist, live in the woods and off the land, pro aboriginals, haters of posessions type... or they were strong supporters of the US who were ready to go to Vietnam and who became disillusioned with what it all turned out to be. Of course there were the in-betweens who just watched it all happen.
Then came the 70s where Americans started becoming lazy through new wealth and divided by extremes in politics as well as an emerging knowledge of the world with its fears and smashed expectations.
Then came the 80s where they found the power of greed and the hypnotic effect of ignorance. At which point they became gullible to the rising wealthy as well as the religion of prosperity. The powerful preyed on greed and religion played on the guilt of a free and loose past.
The 90s were a consolidation of the previous decades and the culmination of libertarian conservative patience and accumulated power that began in the 40s and 50s.
The new Millennium? Well here we are. You can make your own observation and conclusions about what the boomers were and why we are where we are.

mountain grammy

(26,644 posts)
20. "the hypnotic effect of ignorance" Perfect description.
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 09:02 AM
Oct 2017

Fox news, Rush Limbaugh, Alex Jones, etc, etc, etc.

Mr.Bill

(24,317 posts)
9. I'm 64, and every single baby boomer I've ever known is a liberal.
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 12:57 AM
Oct 2017

I do live in Northern California, though.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
16. avoid florida
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 05:16 AM
Oct 2017

and I mean that as someone who thinks California may have to wind up seceding just to avoid the crap that is happening in the rest of America. I will NOT blame you if you do

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,879 posts)
10. I'm am early boomer, born in 1948.
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 01:59 AM
Oct 2017

I and most of my cohort are very liberal.

And I still can't make sense of this sentence: Long story short, the article claims that whatever democratic trends in Florida may happen, the state is gain abundant supply of politically active Republicans from other states.

". . . is gain abundant supply . . ." Help me out here.

Anyway, as a boomer I really, REALLY get tired of my generation being blamed for all the current ills of this country.

I'll just offer this. I used to read old Life Magazine, starting with the first issue (which I'm sure you all know) was in November, 1936. I read them sequentially, made it through March of 1945, and it's quite obvious the war in Europe is almost over and that the war in the Pacific will last another year, maybe two. I wonder how it all came out. (Actually, I know, but having read the magazine, it's as if I remember the events up to that point and have been put into a holding bin of some kind.)

Here's what I want to point out. All during the war there was a lot of enforced saving, because there were many consumer goods that simply were no longer available, such as cars or sheets, and of course a strong encouragement to buy war bonds. By late 1944 the war bonds were beginning to be cashed in. There was an enormous pent-up demand for consumer items, and I could tell that just by reading those Life Magazines. It was incredibly obvious that as the war was winding down (and by early or mid 1944 Life ran a serious article about the upcoming problems in re-integrating returning soldiers back into civilian life and jobs) that there was a lot of money out there that was eager to be spent.

And even though I didn't get past March, 1945, I could tell that the adult generation, the so-called "Greatest Generation" was going to fling itself head over heels in spending. And they did. They bought homes. They bought cars. They had babies and bought everything that babies needed. The set an example of spending and consumerism that their children, the Baby Boomers, get vilified for.

Quite frankly, the Greatest Generation wasn't. Certainly not the greatest. Yes, they endured the Great Depression and a terrible World War, but they were like any other generation. There were heroes and villains. They looked out for themselves as people always do.

I will add this. If you don't have the time or access to old Life Magazines to read nearly ten years' worth of issues (and I spent about four years doing that), then please read the book Generations by William Strauss and Neill Howe. It is totally amazing. I recommend it over and over, and am still to come across anyone else who has ever read it.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
15. I'll help you out
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 05:14 AM
Oct 2017

It means that thanks to current trend, for everyone who votes liberal, two more conservatives will move to Florida and vote. Florida is the new Kansas; the way the Confederates tried to move there to ensure Kansas was a slave state, so are the GOP moving to Florida and taking it over, to where are becoming to the right of Mississippi and Texas.

NBachers

(17,135 posts)
11. Born in '49- Leftist Democrat- Scratching & clawing to survive all these years- work 'till I die
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 02:21 AM
Oct 2017

Somehow I missed out on Reagan Lovin' Prosperity. We're not all like that.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
13. 49'er here; 1949. All Boomer haterz can go hang. Or maybe they'd prefer the jungles of the Viet
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 04:25 AM
Oct 2017

Nam Conflict to go die in?

It only stands to reason for the LARGEST GENERATION to comprise a myriad of political opinions.

I'll stand with my fellow 49'ers, such as Dr. Howard Dean.

BTW: Hillary is a Baby Boomer, born in 1947. J/S.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
14. well
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 05:09 AM
Oct 2017

These folk described in the article do have a voice in what the 60's generation was too. Like I said, I know there are some that never stopped fighting the good fight, but plenty of them did. Allow me to add that as bad as Vietnam truly was, Boomer leadership has allowed a whole generation to NEVER know what it was like for America NOT to be at war. There are soldiers in the field today who will die before they saw the nation at peace for a year.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
17. You forget the Clinton years (Bosnia hardly counts). Obama, moreover, isn't a Baby Boomer, born in
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 07:41 AM
Oct 2017

1961 (he's barely a "Korean Conflict baby" ), speaking of continuing wars.

To re-make my point: the Boomer Generation is not a monolith.

P. S. And you also ignore the fact that, from the 1950s Korea to the 60s and 70s Vietnam (not to mention the real scare of the Cuban Missile Crisis or the threat of getting shot on campus), my g-g-generation, who had classroom drills for atomic-bomb attacks, who watched a real murder on television (Lee Harvey Oswald's), whose heroes were slain, were never truly "at peace".

Well, at least we can't be blamed for the Civil War, the Great Depression, or the two World Wars.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
23. did I say they were
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 11:40 AM
Oct 2017

Or you zipped past the point where I said if you are reading this, even as a centrist, you are to the left of people I am railing against. But whatever, hope this helps come 2018 and 2020.

flamingdem

(39,319 posts)
21. After Irma expect an influx of new VERY liberal Puerto Ricans to newly reside in FL
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 10:12 AM
Oct 2017

Turning the state blue, yay!

mnhtnbb

(31,401 posts)
22. 98% of the Villages is white according to the article
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 10:34 AM
Oct 2017

For all the reasons people give for why they relocated there, you have to suspect that a good portion of
those people are racists and they LOVED the idea of a 98% white (MAGA) community.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
24. exactly
Sat Oct 7, 2017, 11:41 AM
Oct 2017

thank you for pointing that out. Note how the one African American in the article makes a point not to hang out there too much. It sure does not help that this area is barely an hour from George Zimmerman.

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