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LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 06:21 PM Oct 2017

Puerto Rico Governor Responds To Elon Musks Offer To Have Tesla Rebuild The Islands Power Grid

Puerto Rico Governor Responds To Elon Musk’s Offer To Have Tesla Rebuild The Island’s Power Grid:

Tesla CEO Elon Musk says his company can rebuild Puerto Rico’s power grid using batteries and solar power, saying the decision to accept his offer would be in the hands of the local government and the island’s residents.
Millions of Puerto Ricans are living in the dark at home after Hurricane Maria ravaged the island, knocking out its already fragile electric grid.

According to Musk:

“The Tesla team has [built solar grids] for many smaller islands around the world, but there is no scalability limit, so it can be done for Puerto Rico too,” the billionaire tweeted on Thursday. “Such a decision would be in the hands of the PR govt, PUC, any commercial stakeholders and, most importantly, the people of PR.”

“@elonMusk Let’s talk. Do you want to show the world the power and scalability of your #TeslaTechnologies? PR could be that flagship project,” Puerto Rico Governor Ricardo Rosselló tweeted Thursday night.

.............//snip

CNN Money adds:

Tesla has built solar energy grids for islands before, such as Kauai in Hawaii. However, that island’s population is about 70,000 people. Puerto Rico has 3.4 million residents.

Musk has previously stepped into other energy crises around the world. In July, he promised to deliver the world’s largest lithium ion battery to help communities in South Australia that have been suffered from power shortages.


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Puerto Rico Governor Responds To Elon Musks Offer To Have Tesla Rebuild The Islands Power Grid (Original Post) LongTomH Oct 2017 OP
K&R... spanone Oct 2017 #1
What's the governor waiting for? Say yes, then say when can you get started? brush Oct 2017 #2
Everyone is waiting for him to remove his lips from the Moron's ass. DK504 Oct 2017 #6
he did answer Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #9
The Governor did NOT wait. He gave a very positive answer. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2017 #16
thats correct, he's welcoming elon musk's offer with open arms onetexan Oct 2017 #20
Surpass the US in renewable energy production please onit2day Oct 2017 #38
KNR sheshe2 Oct 2017 #3
At the very least they could help get the smaller/rural areas up and running Afromania Oct 2017 #4
Elon will save Puerto Rico Not Ruth Oct 2017 #5
Germany is also sending power packs for hospitals burrowowl Oct 2017 #23
K&R... spanone Oct 2017 #7
K&R, AnotherDreamWeaver Oct 2017 #8
I would have said, "HELL YES, when can you start? BigmanPigman Oct 2017 #10
Damn - awesome reponse/offer. salin Oct 2017 #11
K&R bdamomma Oct 2017 #12
What would be the time frame for this? If it is a matter of years, justhanginon Oct 2017 #14
K&R for visibility. nt tblue37 Oct 2017 #13
Hey CNN aeromanKC Oct 2017 #15
And may as well replace the cars -- with Teslas. NCjack Oct 2017 #17
One step at a time Sam McGee Oct 2017 #18
Is there a price tag? lame54 Oct 2017 #19
Hmmm... let me look in my crystal ball here. hunter Oct 2017 #21
My crystal ball suggests pressure will be put on international banks NOT to fund this in any way. AtheistCrusader Oct 2017 #34
Yep. There is immense pressure to privatize the system. hunter Oct 2017 #36
"One look at us and they charge twice" - Stephen Sondeim, 1957 SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2017 #22
I have had that song in my head a lot these days. murielm99 Oct 2017 #40
Wonderful idea.....how is it going to be funded? paleotn Oct 2017 #24
I LOVE this! volstork Oct 2017 #25
Exactly what the GOP & Libertarians want. Crash2Parties Oct 2017 #26
Yeah, color me cynical. LisaM Oct 2017 #39
PowerWall info OxQQme Oct 2017 #27
Donnie and the fascists won't stand for this out of pure ideological spite. Thomas Hurt Oct 2017 #28
This project will need financing. AtheistCrusader Oct 2017 #35
Sounds like a great idea. greytdemocrat Oct 2017 #29
Given Puerto Rico's Current Debt Issues, How to Pay for Tesla's Offer is a Consideration dlk Oct 2017 #30
This is so exciting! lark Oct 2017 #31
Makes sense. kentuck Oct 2017 #32
LongTomH mentioned South Australia. SwissTony Oct 2017 #33
It's not much of a backup... a little over an hour on the system it's on. hunter Oct 2017 #37
oh, this would be wonderful niyad Oct 2017 #41
Wouldnt it be something if PR became the worlds first "renewable" on a grand scale? 7962 Oct 2017 #42

DK504

(3,847 posts)
6. Everyone is waiting for him to remove his lips from the Moron's ass.
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 07:15 PM
Oct 2017

"Millions of Puerto Ricans are living in the dark at home after Hurricane Maria ravaged the island, knocking out its already fragile electric grid."

But, Huckleberry Sandbags says everything is almost allllllll better now.

Angry Dragon

(36,693 posts)
9. he did answer
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 07:16 PM
Oct 2017

“@elonMusk Let’s talk. Do you want to show the world the power and scalability of your #TeslaTechnologies? PR could be that flagship project,” Puerto Rico Governor Ricardo Rosselló tweeted Thursday night.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,002 posts)
16. The Governor did NOT wait. He gave a very positive answer.
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 07:51 PM
Oct 2017

Mega-projects need discussion first. Financing is a definite issue. Musk did not offer to do everything for free.

There is of course also the over-arching debt commission imposed colonially on P.R. as a way to keep them in perpetual catch-up mode. It may get in the way and gum things up.

BigmanPigman

(51,608 posts)
10. I would have said, "HELL YES, when can you start?
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 07:19 PM
Oct 2017

Is tomorrow too soon?" on Thursday night! What are they waiting for...the Fucking Moron to throw more paper towels at them?

justhanginon

(3,290 posts)
14. What would be the time frame for this? If it is a matter of years,
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 07:46 PM
Oct 2017

what do the people of Puerto Rico do in the mean time. This is a huge project and their needs are, unfortunately, right now. Those needs have to met as soon as possible as their very lives in many cases depend on a quick restoration of power.

Sorry, I meant this for the op.

 

Sam McGee

(347 posts)
18. One step at a time
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 07:55 PM
Oct 2017

Providing solar power to 3,500,000 people can be done -- one step at a time. Get started.

hunter

(38,316 posts)
21. Hmmm... let me look in my crystal ball here.
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 08:18 PM
Oct 2017

Soon a few wealthy, well connected, and corrupt Puerto Ricans will be enjoying their new Tesla power systems.

Someone in the Trump administration will suggest power plants fueled by U.S. coal as the answer. (Most power plants in Puerto Rico burn oil.)

Meanwhile, in neighborhoods where most people can't pay their electric bill on time, or at all, the power lines will remain down.

The problems with the power grid in Puerto Rico run deep.

If I was Elon Musk I'd ask local people what THEY needed and go with that.

It would be my inclination to assign power engineers to public hospitals, wastewater treatment plants, domestic water systems, and public schools. It seems to me that neighborhood schools with resilient power systems would be an excellent place for neighbors to charge cell phones and organize disaster relief.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
34. My crystal ball suggests pressure will be put on international banks NOT to fund this in any way.
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 10:43 AM
Oct 2017

Call me a cynic...

hunter

(38,316 posts)
36. Yep. There is immense pressure to privatize the system.
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 11:39 AM
Oct 2017

Such a privatization would leave many in the dark.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,123 posts)
22. "One look at us and they charge twice" - Stephen Sondeim, 1957
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 08:28 PM
Oct 2017

[West Side Story]

Puerto Rico, my heart's devotion
Let it slip back in the ocean
Always the hurricanes blowing
Always the population growing
And the money owing
And the sunlight streaming
And the natives steaming
I like the isle of Manhattan
Smoke on your pipe and put that in


(I like to be in America
OK by me in America
Everything free in America
Boys: For a small fee in America

G: Buying on credit is so nice
B: One look at us and they charge twice
G: I have a new washing machine
B: What will you have though to keep clean?

G: Skyscrapers bloom in America
G: Cadillacs zoom in America
G: Industrial boom in America
B: Twelve in a room in America

G: Lots of new housing with more space
B: Lots of doors slamming in our face
G: I'll get a terraced apartment
B: Better get rid of your accent

G: Life can be bright in America
B: If you can fight in America
G: Life is all right in America
B: If you're all white in America

G: Here you are free and you have pride
B: Long as you stay on your own side
G: Free to be anything you choose
B: Free to wait tables and shine shoes

B: Everywhere grime in America
B: Organized crime in America
B: Terrible time in America
G: You forget I'm in America

B: I think I go back to San Juan
G: I know a boat you can get on
B: Everyone there will give big cheer
G: Everyone there will have moved here)

paleotn

(17,920 posts)
24. Wonderful idea.....how is it going to be funded?
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 08:46 PM
Oct 2017

On Tesla's dime as a test case in scalability? That would turn some heads in the US and elsewhere around the globe. And that's where the real money is....replacing the worlds aging generation infrastructure.

volstork

(5,401 posts)
25. I LOVE this!
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 08:48 PM
Oct 2017

It will be enormously helpful for Puerto Rico, will show the power of renewable resources, and will be a slap in dotard's face.

Crash2Parties

(6,017 posts)
26. Exactly what the GOP & Libertarians want.
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 09:21 PM
Oct 2017

Puerto Rico gives the federal government 3-4 billion dollars a year. Yet they have no say on how that tax money is spent.

Rather than using tax money to rebuild the infrastructure, the GOP would greatly prefer to privatize the infrastructure of Puerto Rico. Typically these deals are quite sweet for investors, who make a profit off the new infrastructure for a limited time period (conveniently before it starts wearing out) and the local tax payers retain all liability.

Oh, and also?

That's their plan for the rest of the U.S. infrastructure, too...

OxQQme

(2,550 posts)
27. PowerWall info
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 09:37 PM
Oct 2017
https://www.tesla.com/powerwall

The cost of individual installations looks like it would be less expensive than a complete rebuild
of the islands power distribution system to the rural areas.
Power Walls for all!

There's a wall you can get behind Mr Press-a-dent.
You could probably get a volume discount.

for Mr Musk.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
28. Donnie and the fascists won't stand for this out of pure ideological spite.
Sun Oct 8, 2017, 10:00 PM
Oct 2017

as far as they are concerned this is a socialist threat to Murica.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
35. This project will need financing.
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 10:46 AM
Oct 2017

Watch. That's how the dino juice, coal, and gas industry, and our current dominant political elite will attack it; via damaging their ability to finance it.

lark

(23,102 posts)
31. This is so exciting!
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 09:48 AM
Oct 2017

I really hope it can be done, would be so great to rebuild PR PLUS stick a thumb in big oil and by extention, drumpfs' eye by doing energy far better, & at much less cost. Perfect!!!

SwissTony

(2,560 posts)
33. LongTomH mentioned South Australia.
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 09:50 AM
Oct 2017

Elon Musk's Tesla to build world's biggest lithium ion battery to secure power for South Australia

South Australia will be home to the world's largest lithium ion battery thanks to a historic agreement between Tesla and the State Government.

And Tesla boss Elon Musk is promising to build it in 100 days, or it's free.
Key points:

A 100-megawatt (129 megawatt hour) battery is to be in place before summer
It will provide energy stability for SA and also be emergency back-up for shortfalls
Elon Musk is sticking by a "100 days or free" promise for SA taxpayers

Tesla will build the 100-megawatt battery which will store energy from French renewable company Neoen's Hornsdale Wind Farm near Jamestown, which is still under construction.

The project will be in place before summer.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-07/sa-to-get-worlds-biggest-lithium-ion-battery/8687268
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The guy's willing to put up if he can't do the job on time.

I confess I have a little bias towards my old home town and state.

hunter

(38,316 posts)
37. It's not much of a backup... a little over an hour on the system it's on.
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 12:26 PM
Oct 2017

Maybe enough time to respond to whatever is broken, maybe not.

The system has a lot of wind turbines. The batteries will soak up the energy of wind gusts, and release it when the wind slows.

The project is built partly in response to the financial games played by people selling the output of nimble gas power plants.

The battery installation will make an important contribution to increasing the security and reliability of electricity supply in South Australia. It should also help to keep a lid on wholesale electricity prices, by making it more difficult for gas generators in the state to drive prices up to extreme levels by what is called strategic re-bidding behaviour.

https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2017/07/what-experts-have-to-say-about-teslas-giant-australian-battery/


The system isn't capable of storing significant amounts of energy across days the wind isn't blowing or the sun is not shining, but it's still useful in discouraging electricity price spikes which would not occur in a more heavily regulated market.
 

7962

(11,841 posts)
42. Wouldnt it be something if PR became the worlds first "renewable" on a grand scale?
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 06:10 PM
Oct 2017

THAT would be really cool

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