...you're selling your Soul.

Not a problem.

and that was enough to know I'd never buy one.

I rented a Chevy Aveo, and didn't like that, either.

Like the Kia best (until a multi-car accident turned it into a sub-sub-compact), but the Aveos were 0% financing and easier to find at the time, so...learned to like them well enough.
It's not always easy to find what you need and what you want in the same package. Life is compromise.
Enjoy the car!

Well played.

They have quit making them (at least in the US), but it;s been such a blessing to have such a comfy car as our "last car"..

It gets shit-for MPG (but we knew that & we don't drive much)
The dealership people are wonderful to deal with.

Mileage isn't our first concern, but it was part of the consideration. We looked at the Rio hatchback, too, but I found it a bit cramped for me.

100-125 roundtrip everyday.

We both have offices in our home, and do most business via email. So, we go to the store, to appointments, to my wife's mom's house (five minutes away on surface streets) and on some short trips here and there. A tank of gas lasts at least two weeks. On the other hand, we don't earn as much money as we'd like, my wife's health insurance is horrendously expensive, and our retirement fund is full of dust. But, we're independent, so that's a good thing. If I had it to do over again, I think I'd have chosen a different path, frankly. Or maybe not.

and I love it. It's great on gas and fun to drive. It's not too cramped for me but I'm only 5'3". I really like Kia Souls too, I sometimes wish I looked into a Soul instead of the Rio5 but the price on my Rio was good and the mileage is great so I'm happy.

and he doesn't find it cramped, at all. Those little things are bigger on the inside than they are on the outside.

The Kia beat out a Ford Focus six years ago because AC was standard on all models, even the one with the standard shift I wanted. To get it on the Focus, it had to be part of a "package" of bull shit I really didn't want.

I really haven't had any trouble with it outside of the battery finally dying three weeks ago. It's a neat little car with plenty of room for my fiber and gear.

if you see one in stock it`s there to use to sell against.

I was a little surprised. I know there's not much margin on base models, but to not be able to find a single one in a major metropolitan area is hard to accept. Why even make a base model if you don't want to sell one. The market is full of people who would buy them, if they could find them. Cars are expensive. I saw lots of prices that were over $20K for these economy cars, but nothing at the base price.

The sales guy at the Kia dealer said that they had sold six of the base Souls on Monday. We got the last one in stock, but they had more coming in this week.

but it's a larger margin than on the car that they don't sell.

That, I think is a big problem with the financialization of everything under the sun. Companies get into problems not because they aren't making a profit, but because they aren't making _enough_ profit.

but I'm not convinced.

Maybe it's just because I've now lived long enough to start getting pissed with how quickly things fail, but warranty has become a major factor in my purchases of anything of significant cost. In the 'appliance' arena, LG has managed to stick out. Mind you, nobody really provides appliance warranties that I'd consider truly "good". But LG generally one-ups other companies by a notch or two.

One thing I'd love to see American companies do is return to strong warranties. I'm very willing to pay somewhat more for an American-made product, but when a foreign company is beating everybody else in warranty, that's frankly quite hard to turn down.

I'm not sure if they still do, though, and they had nothing that suited us. The PT Cruiser was such a car, but they discontinued it.

Edit to add: The Chrysler 200 only has a 3 year/36,000 mile warranty. That sucks for a car.

For better or worse, I grew up in the era when the quality of the Big Three was in the toilet, and Americans were beginning to rebel by migrating to better-quality foreign cars. So that was very formative for me. But the reality is that American cars are better than they used to be in the 70s and 80s, and a lot of foreign standbys like Toyota don't have the sterling quality records that they used to.

to match my criteria.

It's a Sonata sedan and it wasn't brand new - it had been a "fleet car" before we found it. To my very happy surprize, Hyundai has stood behind their warranty when I fully didn't expect therm too. EDIT:The car has performed flawlessly - my warranty work was a broken sunvisor and a brake lite switch that I didn't even know was bad!

We'd like to buy one more car as we move towards our "golden years", and we'd surely like to buy American - what with us both having grown up in So. Michigan. Thing is - none of them want to match the warranties these Korean brands offer. WHY is that? Do they not think their stuff is good enough to get to 100K???

I had a friend scrunch up his nose upon hearing we'd bought this Hyundai. I reminded him we spent over 50K American lives insuring that So. Korea could provide us with these motoring bargains. What's not patriotic about making those loses worthwhile?

Their appliances are junk.

I have a 5-6 year old LG washer and dryer. I just had to replace the dryer drum last year because the welds crack - Apparently LG denies the problem exists and refuses to help out (according to all the stuff I read online). Fortunately for me, I'm pretty handy and adventurous so I fixed it myself for the cost of the $100 dollar part. Others paid in excess $300 dollars for the repair and now some are on their second drum.

Warranties are great if your product breaks in the warranty period. A lot of appliances have 1 year warranties. Even extending the warranty to 2 or 3 years doesn't help if the product is crap in the first place and going to break at 5 years needing repairs costing nearly as much as a new unit. At that point they become disposable appliances.

Hyundai had to "re-brand" themselves as a leader in the warranty department because they were, for a time, leader in the JUNK department.

I worked in the auto finance business in the 90s and early 2000s. We were one of the first Kia dealers in the nation. We were literally GIVEN the ticket because we were a high volume dealer. We sold the Kias next to our Buicks (which turned out to be a mistake).

We had a hard time getting financing for the Kias because the stigma placed on Korean products by Hyundai. Hyundai poisoned that well.

So many banks were all hot to lend money on $6,000 dollar "new" Hyundais they all crawled over each other to get that market. I mean, what could possibly go wrong. A new car for $6k? Well, the car taking a shit after the 3 year warranty was up is a big factor in how the loan performs. Now, some of our more "sensible" DUers will claim the borrower should STILL make their payments on a non-running car worth $300 bucks in need of a $5000 dollars worth of engine repair. But the reality is, working stiffs scraping together a living can't have two car payments but they still need wheels to get to work. So they call the bank to come get the car and go buy something else. Now they have a repo on their credit.

Hyundai literally ruined a few banks and COUNTLESS people's credit. Those working people with repos got shuffled off in to the wonderful world of sub-prime auto loans. Not to mention wage garnishments judgments and bankruptcy. Can't have your wages garnished for that last loan while paying the new payment - HELLO Peter Francis Geracy (famous BK attorney).

Now along comes Kia. Most of our lenders wouldn't touch them with a 10 foot pole but we manged to find some lenders.

The quality was sub-par to say the least. After a while, General Manager used to laugh when a Kia would go off the lot. He would wave good bye and mumble "see you in three days on the tow-truck." They had tons of electrical problems.

Our biggest mistake was selling Kias to our good Buick customers. Buick customers are a bit more affluent and established and used to GOOD quality. We had several customers buy Kias for their kids or grand kids or even as second cars. Nothing but trouble. "How can you sell such junk in a Buick store" was a common refrain. It got so bad, Buick demanded we construct a wall in the showroom. Eventually they made the dealer remove the Kias all together (it was moved to our Chevy lot after I left). Our poor service manager nearly had a breakdown. Imagine spending 20 years in the Buck business dealing with a quality product and then having THIS thrust on you.

Hyundai has since purchased Kia. Birds of a feather I guess. Both re-branded junk as far as I can tell.

Aywho. You can tell I'm not a big fan of the Korean junk. Too much experience with being personally burned, seeing other people's lives fucked up and hearing from lenders burned.


Oh and Hyundai buyers beware:

You have a timing belt that needs to be replaced @60k or that oh so lovely warranty is void. It's an expensive maintenance item but the alternative is a trashed engine with no backing from Hyundai.

Don't know how up to date that info is. My boyfriend's co-worker was added to the Hyundai repo pile over that item a few years ago. $5k for an engine. This was AFTER Hyundai was a re-branded as a good car with a swell warranty.

I'm not an engine expert but what OTHER manufacturers require such expensive maintenance that would cause such catastrophic consequences in the event it's not performed. I mean, everybody knows you need oil for the engine not to blow up. But my Ford truck doesn't blow up if I skip a tune up. It just runs rough.

scheduled maintenance thing. The KIA Soul's 1.6 liter engine never had a timing belt. It uses a timing chain. The 2.0 liter engine did use a timing belt, but they changed the design to a chain in 2012.

For engines with a timing belt, the manufacturer will require a timing belt change at a fixed interval. For most cars, that interval is 60,000 miles, and it's in the scheduled maintenance list in the owner's manual. But, since most cars warranties expire at 50,000 miles it won't matter, since they don't have to fix it if it breaks.

Hyundai owns 49.2% of KIA, it's true. Hyundai has solved most of the issues that plagued it early on, as has KIA. Owners who don't do the maintenance aren't going to have much luck collecting on their powertrain warranties. KIA solved that by dumping the belt for a chain on all its engines for the SOUL.

I just wanted to say "Thanks" for helping to keep me busy.

I really do appreciate it.

I saw some of them working at that dealership, and there are more I didn't see. Americans didn't build the car, but they're working when the cars are sold.

So, I bought what I needed. At least I'm supporting the workers at that dealership, the guy who delivered the car, and the people who unloaded it at the port of entry. But I cannot buy what is not available.

Never mind.

I'm a precinct chair. That involves no particular leadership in the party. Whoever's willing to take the position gets it at the caucus every two years. I'm not trying to impress you, anyway.

imported cars, and mostly inexpensive ones. They still are Democratic voters. They won't mind, or even say anything about it. They are, however asking about jobs. They're wondering why they're so hard to find, and mostly they're blaming the Republicans for it. I live in a heavily Democratic area.

I guess. They won't buy American products, but wonder where the American jobs are. It's sad.

I too refuse to buy what isn't available. When I was car shopping in 2007, my criteria was the highest mpg for my rather long daily commute. Price had to be under $15K as you described so the then available hybrids were out of my reach. I did a year of research, went to the Auto Show when it came to town, visited all the booths looking for the car to meet the criteria.

Bought a Toyota Yaris as it met them. I really wanted to buy an American Assembled Vehicle (my 98 Ranger has parts from all over the world in it, so American made is a bit of a misnomer) but none fit the criteria at the time.

You did everything you could, don't let anyone (including those on this Board) rain on your parade. The American Car Dealers chose to not stock cars that could have fit your needs. You do not control their inventory or make their management decisions for them. You might email those dealers and let them know that had they had at least one car in stock from the base range in those models you would have at least given them consideration (I would attach a photo of your new car when you do). They lost sales and the maxim in Retail is "you can never make up lost sales".

Enjoy your new ride

Part of the problem is that it's the end of the 2012 model year, and dealers are reducing stocks of 2012 models. They might have had some base models earlier in the model year, but those are all gone. The KIA dealer had some 2012s left, but none were base models. All were priced higher than the 2013 I bought. Most dealers aren't interested in base trim cars, it seems, and I don't think they build many of them in the first place. They're loss leaders, and the goal is to sell upgraded models.

Maybe KIA does it differently. I don't know. But this dealer had 8 base models equipped just like the one I bought. Now they have none, but did say they'd have more later this week. Late in a model year, it's hard to find specific cars based on trim preferences. Early, it's easier, but it's never easy to find base models without options. Mine is pure base, with only the included options.

I don't worry about criticism. I did what was best for me at the time. This dealer had what I wanted and it was a sure sale when I walked in the door. I did my research sitting in front of my computer, since my car was out of commission. I went to buy that car, I bought it, and drove it home. I wouldn't spend days going to car dealers. I don't have the time. This whole nonsense means I'm going to have to push to make a project deadline. I have the car. My wife thinks it's cool. It's all good.

I waited for them to be delivered to the dealers. I waited and waited. FINALLY they were delivered. So I went to see about a test drive of the top model. That's the only one with different upholstery, upgraded audio, etc.

Guess what? The top models were nowhere to be found. Ford had released only the base and middle model.

I forget what that new car was...great mileage, hatchback or sedan...focus? I forget. It was a pretty car. Unfortunately, I ran out of time.

First they have to find a dealer with the right car. Hopefully it is somewhat close, sometimes it isn't. It is a rare case that a dealer trade will occur between dealers that are more than about 750 miles apart (Roughly a days drive for the transport truck) because it will be almost as quick getting it from the distributor.

I'll fix it, and we'll be back to having two cars, but we HAVE to have one running. The Volvo broke on Monday, and we'd been looking for a new car already. We bought a new car on Tuesday. Now we have a running car. My wife helps take care of her mother, and has to be able to get there. Her mother needs a car, too. We borrowed hers to buy ours.

When would I order one, and what would I do until it was available? Sometimes, a guy has to do what's needful. It's all in the OP.

I imagine the sales people and service techs at the dealership were indeed, American workers being supported by this purchase.

I would like to say;

First of all Romulox, I appreciate your passion regarding buying American. I lived in the Detroit area all through the 1990's and know where Romulus is (which is, if I am not mistaken, where you have mentioned you live in previous posts) as I lived in Dearborn (3 different addresses) , Farmington Hills, Inkster, and Redford. While I have never bought a new car in my life, I am a fan of General Motors vehicles and have owned several in my life, including a Vette, 2 caddys and a Buick.

You know, it's tough being a liberal, isn't it? I mean, we have to be so many things in order to be called Liberal.

Like being Pro-Choice.

I am Pro-Choice on more than one subject, however. I am a firm believer in a persons right to do as they please as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else and to spend their money in any way they wish.

But just for the record, (and I KNOW I am not going to tell you anything you don't know) MANY of the major auto manufacturers of the world have facilities in the US.

Mercedes Benz
Toyota
Nissan
Honda
BMW
Kia
Hyundai
Volvo Heavy Trucks
Volkswagen (I'll load at their new plant in Chattanooga tomorrow, 7/19)
Subaru

And I am sure I missed a few.

The larger point is, the automotive industry is worldwide these days. The VW Passat's I'll load tomorrow will have engines made in Germany, transmissions made in Japan, assorted other bits made all over the planet and assembled in Tennessee.

Granted, the plants of the companies I listed above are for the most part, Non-Union. Is that the fault of the workers? Or the OP? Or anyone else that bought a Subaru made in Indiana or a Mercedes or a Hyundai made in Alabama?

It sucks that the UAW has not been able to organize those plants, I'll give you that, just as it sucks that I can't get a Teamster Car Haul gig in the Southeast. It isn't "Right to work". It's 'right to shoot yourself in the foot". But that's the world we're living in, man. The opposition has done a better job of scaring people away from organized labor than our side has done in promoting the idea of collective bargaining. And the southern states just throw railcar loads of money at those manufacturers to build plants in those states. It sucks, but that's how it is.

But to bust a guys chops because he decided to spend money on a car that you don't approve of is ...well...kinda silly, in my opinion. If he had bought a Sorento or an Optima, would you still have had the same vitriol? Those are the models made in Georgia. By presumably....Georgians.

What if he had bought a Ford or a GM vehicle that was assembled in Mexico?

"If it ain't a big three, it ain't worth buying" is a notion you can't POSSIBLY expect everyone on DU to adhere to. People can be perfectly good progressive thinkers and decent liberals while buying and owning brands that aren't Chrysler, GM or Ford.

Yes, it is the fault of people CHOOSING NOT TO SUPPORT Union labor.

"That's how it is" is just another excuse so that lazy consumers can sleep at night and still think they're liberals.

Again, what if he had purchased a Ford or GM car made in Mexico?


How do you know that NONE of the parts in his Kia were not made with Union labor?

"That's how it is" is just another excuse so that lazy consumers can sleep at night and still think they're liberals.

Yes, of course. Because a persons entire political philosophy is determined by their car purchases.

Powerful stuff.

How about a Democrat who votes for Republicans? I mean, that wouldn't define their philosophy right?

Car purchases are huge monetary investments, and if people punk out on Unions on that, what am I supposed to conclude about the rest of their "support"?

If not, STFU.

I take it you support Toyotas, etc. assembled in the USA?

That doesn't include Toyotas.

Keep trying, though.

which I can fuel with domestic biodiesel and get 50 mpg highway? If not, I have to keep my current auto.

bio-diesel.

Betcha this isn't your first non-union ride!

You condemned MineralMan for the same thing.

There is no domestic unionized PC industry. Which is why I built my own.

Seems to me that was MineralMan's problem.

And of course you know that the parts you used - all of the parts you used - were manufactured in China under near-slave labor conditions for the workers. Right?

Way to go with the Solidarity.

Union cars exist. Union computers don't. And all of you using that as your cop-out defense are fucking weak.

When people make buying decisions they always have more than just one criteria to meet with those choices.

One of MineralMan's criteria was that the car be American-made. Another was that it be immediately available. He found these to be incompatible. You may not like it, but those are the facts as presented in the OP.

You criticize MineralMan for buying a foreign-made car rather than having to do without because an America-made car was unavailable, but you seem to be OK with Romulox buying Chinese-made bits for a computer rather than having to do without because American-made computers are unavailable. There's a word for that.

"There's a word for that."

Reality.

Where the hell do any of you live where there isn't a domestic car dealership? Versus where the hell are there any domestic computer parts? If you don't see the difference between the OP writing an OP to antagonize DUers based on a false predicament and the non-fucking-existence of US computer parts, I don't think I can explain anything more to you.

needed another car because my husband worked and I was stuck at home until I found another job. Well one sunday we drove by the dealership that sold those Yugo cars. We had no real interests in look at them but saw where payments would be less than $100.00 a month. So we went in and the salesman said look take it home for the weekend and bring it back on Monday. Just like that we couldn't believe it. So we did. It turned out to be one of the best buys we ever made. Our friends use to tease us about the car calling it a toy car. But it gave a good gas miles. We ended up getting a transfer to VA from KY and my husband would have to drive back and forth for awhile until we sold our house. When we retired from the military we moved back to TN. That car was so good. I remember one time on these back roads in the rural area my husband and son were coming home. My husband took the curb a little high and the car went over on it's side. They were alright and they climbed out of the car pushed it back up together and drove it home. It took a licking and kept on running. Then we started having problems finding parts for it. Yugoslavian government broke up and that was the end of the Yugo. Really sad. Our payments were $90.00. It's to bad you can't find a car like that today for young teens to drive around.

The Yugo was based on a Fiat with a long history. It was, indeed a cheap entry-level car. So was the Volkswagen Beetle, when it first arrived in the US. But then, so was the Ford Falcon and some other American cars. They could still be producing an entry-level car, but that's not their business model.

$7,500 (I think). My payments were $75.00 a month. LOL What a great great car that was. I was just really thinking about the Yugo and how good a car that was. Your right about the Fiat in that we were able to find parts for our Yugo thru Fiat. But alas they stopped making the car.

Barbara in the mid 1960s. Somehow, he managed to import six brand new Volkswagen beetles from Denmark. Zero miles, but they were registered to owners in Denmark, so he could somehow sell them without being a VW dealer. They arrived coated in cosmoline (vaseline), which had to be cleaned off, and had speedometers with kilometers per hour markings. We sold them as brand new used cars for $1200 each. They were gone in two days.

Technically, they were used cars, since they were registered to owners overseas. That was the thing. Today, the emissions control regulations would prevent such a thing from occurring, but then, they didn't exist. I wanted to buy one of the cars, but didn't have the cash, and it was a cash-only deal.

I worked with a guy who was a manager in a Yugo store.

He said on snow days when the cars had to be moved for the plows, 1/3 of the cars would start, another 1/3 needed a jump, and the other 1/3 wouldn't start no matter WHAT they did.

Telling people their warranty disappeared when Yugo folded was no fun either.

of found parts we needed. We never had major problems. Only one time my husband was travelling from Md to Tn and it broke down. He was able to get it fixed. But like I said it really was a decent car and we sure got our money's worth out of it.

My nephew has a 2010 Kia Soul, black in color. Base model, with sirius radio thrown in for a year at no cost to him. I've driven in it & find it very comfortable and easy ride.

As it being a Hipster Car, nephew aligns himself with the hamsters. I've always thought that with the cost of this car, that it was a good investment for a young person buying their first car. My nephew only uses it on week ends and trips. He probably has less than 20,000 miles on it.

Great choice, and drive it with care.

but it was the last one they had in base configuration. I can live with black. It does have free Sirius radio, but I probably won't actually use it much. In the car, I mostly listen to a local News AM station. It's not a Rush-based station, so it's OK, and does great traffic reports. WCCO is a legend in the Twin Cities.

I listen to Ed Schultz (noon -3 EST) and Thom Hartmann, on after Ed.

I'm usually in my office, trying to keep up with my schedule.

They get the meteorologist into the studio pronto (usually Mike Lynch), and they just do weather and take listener reports on the air. It's "Real Radio" at its finest.

You'd think MPR would be as good or better, but surprisingly enough, they totally suck most of the time. They almost never deviate from their scheduled news or national programming. Maybe they don't even try because they know WCCO has it covered.

Any Ford or Chevy dealer can get whatever trim you want delivered in a matter of days.

the parts won't be here for a week. We borrowed my wife's mother's car to get to the dealership. In any case, the warranty and other characteristics might well have made it my choice anyhow. None of the dealerships I called showed any interest in finding me a base model. They just said they didn't have any. They weren't interested beyond that point. Besides, its the end of the model year, and I don't even know if their building the cars right now.

this thread.

Are you telling me you've never shopped for a car online? When I bought my last car I did it entirely online, picked what I wanted and the price I wanted to pay. Lined up the financing from home, too.

When it was delivered to the dealer I took two hours and went to go get it. It took the entire time I'd set aside, but mostly because I was all chatty with the dealer's Internet sales guy.

It was a Ford, by the way. And this miracle of modern e-commerce took place TEN YEARS AGO.

So yeah, I'm still disappointed and I think you're trying to rationalize a position that shows only fractional support for unions.

It was my wife's idea to take the plunge, and I tend to agree with her. As it turns out, she really likes this car, and that's a good thing, too. As for supporting unions, I support them. I also have to deal with financial issues, and those sometimes make the difference. In this case, it was a timing issue that made the decision. We needed the car now. We bought it now. I've owned a wide range of cars, including ones made in the US and ones made in other countries. I wish I could afford a Volvo to replace the Volvo I have. I can't. In fact, as soon as the fuel pump for my Volvo arrives, it'll be back on the road, too.

If you did a poll of DUers, I suspect you'd find a heckuva lot of DUers are driving imports. It's not a matter of supporting unions. It's a matter of making choices for many reasons. In any case, every car purchased in the US involved US workers, even if they didn't build it.

So you believe it is important to buy union-made products -- especially big ones, that support a lot of jobs. You either believe that, or want anyone reading to believe you believe that.

You then spend the rest of the piece explaining why you didn't. And your reasons are weak, sorry. Spending two days to buy something you're going to keep for ten years also sounds reckless, but that's beside the point.

You had the opportunity -- and clearly, the means -- to buy a brand-new product that supported a lot of union jobs. Far more than the paltry few you rationalize helped get your Korean car to market. And you didn't do it.

I'm disappointed.

I bought something else. Sorry to disappoint you, but you're not going to be driving it. I am. My wife is. Both the Ford and Chevy in that price range may be assembled here, but they're chock full of stuff that wasn't. And the Ford might not have been assembled here.

Look, as I said below, everyone's got their problems. I'm not going to tell you you can't buy whatever you want, it's a free country.

I'm saying you shouldn't have, for the reasons you gave.

You've just exemplified the sort of conditional support for labor that's the biggest threat to the movement -- far worse than Republicans or whatever, who we can all see coming. And you've got every right to. I just don't care for it.

evinced by people who would recommend buying a (non-union made Ford or Chevy) over say a (union-made but not assembled in the US) VW or Mercedes? Daimler AG and Volkswagen Group's plants in Germany are unionised, after all. Does labour solidarity end at the border? And honestly, the number of union-assembled vehicles built in the US, and the range of models they represent, is relatively limited; here's the list: http://www.uaw.org/cars

If one's needs for a vehicle are not met by one of those then is one supposed to put principle before practicality? And honestly it's a bit smug and self-righteous to be ignoring the fact that even non-US-made and non-union vehicles support American jobs in terms of supply and distribution.

Unless you can add, in which case it sounds like horseshit.

Do you think these sales and distribution jobs you speak of supporting, say, a Kia, add up to more US jobs than the corresponding support for a Chevy? Really?

Also, wouldn't your "solidarity regardless of borders" notion wholly fall apart if, say, the Korean auto workers unions had been involved in -- oh, I don't know -- the biggest strikes in the last century only this goddamn week? And yes, Kia workers struck too.

here's a hint: it's usually about 50%. The US-built vehicle with the most domestic content? The Toyota Camry. So what supports American workers more, a non-union-built US car with 80% domestic content, or a union-built car with 50%? Also, way to sidestep the larger point about the union-made vehicles that are available not necessarily suiting the needs of consumers. If fuel economy is a priority, you won't be buying one of those. And the biggest strikes in the last century? That would be this February in India when a hundred million workers went on strike for one day (protip: the US is not the world). And see here: http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/jul/12/hyundai-kia-unions-to-stage-8-hour-strikes/

You're speaking out of both sides of your mouth. Why should we care about a strike in India when you just told us that domestic content (not the conditions under which workers are treated) is key?

It's because you are speaking in circuitous platitudes.

You shoot one down, they just go to the next to explain away why they spend their money like Republicans and come back and talk like Democrats.