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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrump's Real Diagnosis: Histrionic Personality Disorder
Yes, his narcissism is real and gets a lot of ink. He's probably Bipolar II also, but what his real problem is can be found in the link's below. He's a rather pure male histrionic; an attention whore carrying the nuclear football, a preening desperate aging impotent prick of a human being, who gets desperate and mean whenever he isn't the center of attention. Who the fuck wears hair like that at age 70?
If we could ignore him safely he would implode in a matter of weeks. Unfortunately if we ignore him he is likely to ignite a world war to get the focus back on him.
https://www.mentellhealth.org/histrionic-personality-disorder/
A more in depth look....
https://www.alpfmedical.info/personality-disorders-2/variations-of-the-histrionic-personality.html
gordianot
(15,243 posts)Someday Trump will be recognized as the source of stories to frighten children.
Bozvotros
(785 posts)He almost conquered all of Europe on the battlefield. Trump on the other hand (if we get him out of office in time) will be viewed as a stupid, vain, blundering fool whose overt corruption, vengeful erratic behavior and constant need for attention and validation ended his reign of error. But if we wait your prediction will be true.
https://tinyurl.com/yctwuuqg
gordianot
(15,243 posts)It would take a special kind of personna or loser to want to emulate Trump.
Bozvotros
(785 posts)you can find them. "Special" is the nice way to put it.
dalton99a
(81,570 posts)pandr32
(11,611 posts)...and it can be comorbid with psychopathy ( in fact there is some evidence of a genetic link). It is from a cluster B personality disorders and his hand gestures and facial expressions might be explained by this, along with his "discomfort" when he is not the center of attention.
Bozvotros
(785 posts)Psychodynamic theory best captures the nuances of this disorder.....
http://www.universitypsychiatry.com/clientuploads/picp/04_PICPs.pdf
mnhtnbb
(31,402 posts)27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President
Currently #11 in Books on Amazon.
I couldn't wait to start reading it. So far, very informative.
gordianot
(15,243 posts)As one with a graduate degree in a related field it sounds reasonable to me.
pnwmom
(108,994 posts)of psychosis sometimes -- other people have no reality to him. He determines his own reality, his own world.
He isn't just a "drama queen" who wants to be the center of attention. He's far worse than that. His grandiosity makes him want to obliterate anyone who doesn't recognize his superiority, who threatens his perfect view of himself.
Bozvotros
(785 posts)Not sure which one is primary. But he's hitting on all cylinders here....
From: https://www.theravive.com/therapedia/histrionic-personality-disorder-dsm--5-301.50-(f60.4)
Symptoms of histrionic personality disorder include the following:
Shallow, changeable emotions
Assumed intimacy with others
Hypersensitivity to criticism
Manipulative behavior
Disproportionate emotional reactions
Sexually provocative behavior
A compulsive desire for attention
Preoccupation with appearance
Suggestible and easily influenced
Diagnosis criteria for histrionic personality disorder
There is no set test to determine whether someone has histrionic personality disorder. Previously, a number of pointers were specified in an earlier edition of the American Psychiatric Associations Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders in order to help clinicians make a diagnosis3). At least five of the following traits needed to be recorded for a diagnosis to be indicated:
A compulsion to be the center of attention that results in discomfort if unmet
Inappropriate sexual, seductive or provocative behavior when interacting with others
Shallow, rapidly shifting emotions
The use of physical appearance to draw others attention
Dramatic, impressionistic speech that lacks detail
Exaggerated, theatrical emotional expression
Easily influenced by others or situations
Assumes relationships are more intimate than they are
pnwmom
(108,994 posts)But the histrionic diagnosis omits his incredible grandiosity, and his need for constant affirmation, and his impulse to destroy anyone who threatens his exalted sense of himself. To me, those features are what make him so dangerous.
cyclonefence
(4,483 posts)say he has "malignant narcissism" a disorder which does not respond to treatment. It contains elements of paranoia and sometimes schizophrenia.
From Wikipedia:
Kernberg described malignant narcissism as a syndrome characterized by a narcissistic personality disorder (NPD), antisocial features, paranoid traits, and egosyntonic aggression. Other symptoms may include an absence of conscience, a psychological need for power, and a sense of importance (grandiosity).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malignant_narcissism
He is one sick dude.
pnwmom
(108,994 posts)till now to go public.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,434 posts)I think you put it succinctly when we observe that Trumpy will do anything to stay in the media spotlight. His tiff with Tillerson was a good example: he blew into a rage when he found that Tillerson's "moron" comment took HIM out of the media spotlight. It didn't matter so much that Tillerson called him a moron. It matter much more that he was being eclipsed by Tillerson (aka Wayne Tracker) on the airwaves. Trumpy's madness will eventually explode because no one will ever be able to contain him ALL THE TIME. He'll pop when Kelly is sitting on the shitter or lamenting to Mattis about what a fuck-all job he has. (You can imagine the jokes shared between them.) Trumpy's ONLY agenda is to leverage his brand into a fortune. Being president comes in a distant second, and ONLY matters if he's onto a windfall profit that he can grab by virtue of his job title.
The people who voted for him bought into Trumpy's brand. Although some will follow him like a nightmare version of "Jesus Joins the Murdering Clowns", others were looking for something in Trumpy that they're just now realizing they'll never get. Trumpy's campaign and his image are widely disparate from his agenda.
It's Trumpy's image that he was selling, and it worked. The people who really knew Trumpy by his behavior, the business community in NYC, knew for decades that Trumpy was a madman and a thief who only kept out of jail be being more crooked than the people he paid off. He likely stiffed or cheated everyone in NYC who ever signed a contract with him. But he sold his image, his brand. Even though he acts like a Russian asset, and he probably is, he likely didn't think too much before jumping into the game with Russian oligarchs. He knew where he could tap into a flow of capital, and no one states-side would give him an ounce of credit. He has no ideological fight with Russia, the US, or anyone else. Trumpy is devoid of ideology. If he could have gotten financial support from Romanian gypsies fresh out of multiple galactic lottery wins, he would change his name back to Drumpf, start buying obscure CDs, wearing bandanas, and demanding that Melania start rapping her priceless hair in babushkas. He would then praise gypsies for their groundbreaking contributions to science based on nothing whatsoever. He doesn't care what he says, as long as he can profit from it.
In other words, we're in for a spin of the wheel that could stop on the wedge that says, "An escalating, out-of-control shit-show that wipes out the national power grid." Oh, would the dog grooming shops go ballistic.
Oh, I forgot. Your dalliance into the DSM served you well. Histrionic is the perfect modifier for his personality disorder. But as you likely know, Histrionic belongs to a cluster of overlapping diagnoses, any one of which might be accurate on any given day. People like Trumpy slide along the continuum with aplomb. He should have been locked up in his twenties for crimes we'll never know about because his father kept saving his ass and his mother kept telling him that HAIR MAKES THE MAN (she was quite the monument to tsunami hair (Google "Mary Trump image" .
Bozvotros
(785 posts)If nothing else, Trump is inspiring an army of political satirists whose hardest job is staying ahead of the hyperbolic lunacy he displays each day. You got there today... but just barely.
gordianot
(15,243 posts)Someone detonating a thermal nuclear device at high altitudes is really playing with fire. The most likely result is the elimination of many power grids and frying our beloved electronics. We do not live in the 60s when it merely played havoc with cathode ray tubes and capacitors. The electro magnetic pulse blowing up North Korea would be a Stone Age event for the Southern Hemisphere and the collapse of civilization for the planet all because of an orange haired tyrant and his tantrums. Those who die of the direct blast and radiation would be the lucky ones.
highplainsdem
(49,034 posts)Which I think leaves Trump squarely in the NPD rather than HPD category:
https://www.avalonmalibu.com/blog/spotlight-on-personality-disorders-narcissistic-personality-disorder-vs-histrionic-personality-disorder/
Bozvotros
(785 posts)....sometimes I think Trumpy knows he is a big nothing and is only striving for the narcissism that his father no doubt had himself and tried to inculcate in him. So he dyes and fluffs his hair, gets spray tans, wears his ties too long, blusters, brags, lies and tries to keep himself front and center in the media. As long as he gets attention he seems content, whether that attention is demeaning or fawning. He would prefer it all be fawning but he acts as though he just needs some attention, doesn't matter what kind. Narcissists need adulation and usually hate bad publicity but Trump seems to relish it.
He would like to be a true narcissist like dad and be certain of his superiority but he can't get there. So he pretends it. My experience with narcissists is that they avoid situations where they could be found ordinary or inferior to others. Being President ain't that kind of situation. I do think Trump didn't think he could win and really wanted to lose but still wanted to credibly claim he could have been or that he got robbed because that would have kept him in the limelight and he could go on making easy money off his name.
His biggest fear is being uncovered as the fraud and failure he knows himself to be because then he would be despised and then ignored. He fears the latter more than the former. Hence the hiding of his taxes, the desperate denials and overreactions to the Russian probe which will show he didn't deserve to win and everyone will know he is the fraud he knows himself to be.
raven mad
(4,940 posts)These behave with more humanity than he has ever shown.
Hekate
(90,793 posts)Trump was never a nice person, and he's still horrible. However, add to that: he has dementia.
What do you all think Bob Corker was trying to tell us? "Adult day care centers" are specifically for those with Alzheimer's Disease, Loewy Body's Disease, stroke victims, and people who are otherwise mentally incapacitated.