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yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 01:12 PM Oct 2017

Abortion clearly a 'difficult issue' for Alabama Democrats as Doug Jones pushes pro-choice stance

Can we overcome THIS? If Doug Jones is our next US Senator from Alabama, THIS changes EVERYTHING!

Source: al.com, by John Sharp

"Too many Christians look at just the issue of abortion in making their political decisions, but there is so much more that has the potential for legislation at the national level," said Crowley, 27, a University of South Alabama student who describes himself as pro-life, and a Jones supporter. "I think it's obvious that the abortion issue can really get in the way for any liberal candidates."

According to the most recent Pew Research Center's study, 58 percent of Alabama residents believe abortion should be illegal in all or most cases, while only 37 percent believe it should be legal. Only Arkansas (at 60 percent) and Mississippi (at 59 percent) have a higher percentage of residents who want to criminalize abortions.

Matthew Tyson, a marketing strategist and a member of the Calhoun County Democratic Committee, is a pro-life Democrat who has done research with Democrats for Life of America. But he, too, has faced backlash from other liberals and progressives who have told him that he has no place within the Democratic Party.

"The fact that Democrats put so much emphasis on abortion has to be one of the worst branding mistakes in the last 50 years," he said.

"I can't for the life of me figure out why Jones would put such a clear pro-choice stance at the forefront of his campaign," Tyson said. "I think perhaps he's putting too much faith in the 'kitchen table issues' approach, and hoping that Alabamians will put aside their differences on abortion to come together for jobs, education, etc."

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Abortion clearly a 'difficult issue' for Alabama Democrats as Doug Jones pushes pro-choice stance (Original Post) yallerdawg Oct 2017 OP
I Give Him Props For Walking His Talk Me. Oct 2017 #1
There are about a dozen voices in that article. All are men except for one, who is identified as WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2017 #2
Garbage in, garbage out. Why do the media exclude women so often? bettyellen Oct 2017 #18
Thank you for your concern, Mr. Tyson gratuitous Oct 2017 #3
Democrats put so much emphasis on it radical noodle Oct 2017 #4
Exactly - that stuck out to me, too. LisaM Oct 2017 #7
Yes radical noodle Oct 2017 #9
Is it time to bring back the stories of knitting needles and coat hangers fierywoman Oct 2017 #5
Not a good strategy to lead with abortion hueymahl Oct 2017 #6
The argument from the Blue State Democrats... yallerdawg Oct 2017 #10
Yep. hueymahl Oct 2017 #12
Good luck. joshcryer Oct 2017 #14
The right to ones own body should always be emphasized!!! Nt LostOne4Ever Oct 2017 #8
There is an irony to the people who oppose abortion . Throck Oct 2017 #11
Um, maybe he figures the rabid "pro-lifers" (correct term:Anti-Choicers) are all Moore voters ? eppur_se_muova Oct 2017 #13
Jones has that great civil rights record prosecuting KKK and church bombing. yallerdawg Oct 2017 #16
A number of AL counties in the 'Black Belt' (named for the *soil*, please) .... eppur_se_muova Oct 2017 #20
Good for him. This is a human rights issue! Greybnk48 Oct 2017 #15
The problem is that the national party hurt the state parties on the abortion issue. Willie Pep Oct 2017 #17
Jones is taking it dead on. yallerdawg Oct 2017 #19
As a southern Democrat, here's what my campaign speech would say on the subject: DFW Oct 2017 #21
Giving women full rights over their own bodies is such a hard decision. Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #22

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,431 posts)
2. There are about a dozen voices in that article. All are men except for one, who is identified as
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 01:19 PM
Oct 2017

"a spokeswoman" without a name. Huh.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
3. Thank you for your concern, Mr. Tyson
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 01:22 PM
Oct 2017

But a pro-choice Democratic candidate should for sure run his campaign as a pro-choice Democratic candidate. To do otherwise is to turtle on the issue, and leave citizens wondering if you're going to knuckle on an important issue. Sorry you don't find the Democratic party to your liking on this issue, but that's a choice, too. And you're free to make that choice for just as long as you can.

radical noodle

(8,013 posts)
4. Democrats put so much emphasis on it
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 01:23 PM
Oct 2017

because Republicans are so busy putting emphasis on taking that right away from women.

LisaM

(27,830 posts)
7. Exactly - that stuck out to me, too.
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 01:29 PM
Oct 2017

Roe v. Wade should have settled it once and for all, but it's Republicans who have made it the main issue. Over and over and over.

If nothing else, the issue of contraception needs to come out, and how abortions tend to go down under Democratic administrations, but for some reason, that point doesn't seem to get consistently pressed.

radical noodle

(8,013 posts)
9. Yes
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 01:41 PM
Oct 2017

There are statistics that show that. This is not a political issue, it's a health issue. From the beginning, this issue was used by Republicans to start a war on reproductive rights that would keep their true believers voting for them.

fierywoman

(7,694 posts)
5. Is it time to bring back the stories of knitting needles and coat hangers
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 01:25 PM
Oct 2017

and the subsequent horrible deaths of pregnant women who couldn't go through with the pregnancy? Talk about right to life -- and it's a life that's already viable, not of a 21 week old fetus who couldn't live outside the womb. The question needs to be always about the choice to abort, not about condoning the act of an abortion. Basically: no one has to abort if they don't want to. But if they want to, let's make it as safe as possible. Period.

hueymahl

(2,510 posts)
6. Not a good strategy to lead with abortion
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 01:25 PM
Oct 2017

It is a critical issue, but you can't do anything about it if you don't get elected.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
10. The argument from the Blue State Democrats...
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 01:47 PM
Oct 2017

has been "We should run more progressive candidates and then Democrats will turnout!"

Looks like we're gonna be testing this argument!

hueymahl

(2,510 posts)
12. Yep.
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 01:56 PM
Oct 2017

I actually don't totally disagree with that theory, but not in Alabama! Here is hoping for the best!

Throck

(2,520 posts)
11. There is an irony to the people who oppose abortion .
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 01:55 PM
Oct 2017

Same group opposes sex education and birth control. They don't see how population of earth impacts global warming and carbon emissions.

eppur_se_muova

(36,289 posts)
13. Um, maybe he figures the rabid "pro-lifers" (correct term:Anti-Choicers) are all Moore voters ?
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 02:16 PM
Oct 2017

Which is probably correct.

As for those on the fence, or undecided, or not sure -- it's not unreasonable that they would consider some of the other issues, and find Moore totally unsuitable. Those who consider themselves pro-life but can't bring themselves to vote for Moore will probably stay home.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
16. Jones has that great civil rights record prosecuting KKK and church bombing.
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 02:32 PM
Oct 2017

If the black Democrats in Alabama turnout in the big cities, we might steal this one!

That would be something!!!

eppur_se_muova

(36,289 posts)
20. A number of AL counties in the 'Black Belt' (named for the *soil*, please) ....
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 02:58 PM
Oct 2017

went for Obama both terms. Unfortunately, they have very small populations. B'ham is probably Jones' strongest bet, for a number of reasons. 2016 results here -- Clinton did much more poorly than Obama. Jefferson Co., home of B'ham, is the isolated blue blob in the middle.

Polls show Moore ahead by 6-8 pts so far, but the bad press on him -- including possible funny business with funding -- is only starting to come out. Turnout could really decide it.

Greybnk48

(10,176 posts)
15. Good for him. This is a human rights issue!
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 02:28 PM
Oct 2017

Someone needs to stand up for women. Many States have essentially legalized rape for all intents and purposes, since they don't even look at the rape kits. Enough of this catering to a loud-mouthed religious minority.

Willie Pep

(841 posts)
17. The problem is that the national party hurt the state parties on the abortion issue.
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 02:43 PM
Oct 2017

Plenty of Democrats oppose abortion but are willing to vote for Democrats based on other issues including economics and health care that have an impact on abortion rates. That is what Democrats for Life are always saying. Democrats for Life take a "whole life" approach. But when the national party makes a platform that includes repealing the Hyde Amendment that causes problems for Democrats in red states who try to take a more moderate stand on the abortion issue. It makes it look like the Democrats are pro-abortion and not just pro-choice.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
19. Jones is taking it dead on.
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 02:52 PM
Oct 2017

Same old commercials, robo calls, mailers and Facebook posts will be coming - 'Right to Life' and 'Nancy/Hillary/Obama Democrat Party.'

This election will depend on what WE will turnout for.

DFW

(54,436 posts)
21. As a southern Democrat, here's what my campaign speech would say on the subject:
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 03:09 PM
Oct 2017

I am against abortion, but for a woman's right to choose. It's not my place to force her to get an abortion, like some of our Republican colleagues, but it's not my place to forbid it, either. Judge not, lest ye be judged. And let's get real, my friends: NO woman "wants" an abortion. Do Republicans think it's fun, or something? Therefore, I am DEFINITELY for access to contraception, because the more access women have to contraception, the less abortions there will be. And less abortions is something ALL Alabamans can get behind. Sure, we can forbid them, but they'll take place anyway. Don't tell me you don't know that, because you DO know that. But if there are no unwanted pregnancies, there will be no abortions. How's THAT for a goal to shoot for?

Of course, I'd lose 68-32, but I'm a southern Democrat..I'm used to that

Irish_Dem

(47,382 posts)
22. Giving women full rights over their own bodies is such a hard decision.
Mon Oct 9, 2017, 03:43 PM
Oct 2017

So easy to just let men call all the shots.

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