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Watchfoxheadexplodes

(3,496 posts) Tue Oct 10, 2017, 08:59 AM Oct 2017

I probably will get roasted for this but here goes

Watching the Las Vegas sheriffs presser the timeline change caused more questions for me. In taking active shooter training at nauseam one thing is stressed, during an active shooter event law enforcement first priority is to get to the shooter, rescue of civilians is secondary.

From the security officer they knew floor and room number so why were they clearing rooms? Why the big delay in breaching the door? Were they that confident the shooter was done?

The girlfriend?

Protective custody? I would assume if she's free to move about some reporter would have seen her?

Just questions I am not trying to suggest wrong doing although I did hear some security experts say Mandalay bay may have questions to answer about their security.

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I probably will get roasted for this but here goes (Original Post) Watchfoxheadexplodes Oct 2017 OP

From the security officer they knew floor and room number" jberryhill Oct 2017 #1

This does make sense Watchfoxheadexplodes Oct 2017 #2

The problem with "it was reported" in things like this jberryhill Oct 2017 #6

What shocked me was that the new report says security guard was shot before he slaughtered malaise Oct 2017 #3

Any interviews with guests in the hotel near room? Watchfoxheadexplodes Oct 2017 #4

Don't know n/t malaise Oct 2017 #5

Didn't any one hear machine gun sounds going off nearby on the floor? DK504 Oct 2017 #7

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)

1. From the security officer they knew floor and room number"

Reply to Watchfoxheadexplodes (Original post)

Tue Oct 10, 2017, 09:05 AM

Oct 2017

It's not clear that they knew that the security officer was there. The police found him when they arrived.

"so why were they clearing rooms?"

They would have known the guard was shot from one room. They would not know whether there were multiple shooters in other rooms.

Watchfoxheadexplodes

(3,496 posts)

2. This does make sense

Reply to jberryhill (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 10, 2017, 09:09 AM

Oct 2017

But early on it was reported the security officer radioed or phone he was injured and his location. I'm curious if he went directly to 9 11 or his security dispatch?

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)

6. The problem with "it was reported" in things like this

Reply to Watchfoxheadexplodes (Reply #2)

Tue Oct 10, 2017, 09:29 AM

Oct 2017

is that "it was reported" reliably indicates "someone said that". Where "someone" got that information, or whether the source was filling in gaps with inferences, is not usually well laid out.

How well hotel security may have been communicating with an entire chain of command with all hell breaking loose is an open question.

"security officer radioed or phone he was injured and his location" - at what point? Clearly, he didn't leave the floor, since he was still there when the police arrived. If he was immobile, he may have been unconscious or not wanting to move or make any noise.

malaise

(269,022 posts)

3. What shocked me was that the new report says security guard was shot before he slaughtered

Reply to Watchfoxheadexplodes (Original post)

Tue Oct 10, 2017, 09:11 AM

Oct 2017

all those people.
So was the guard unable to communicate with hotel security - even before the police arrived? No one else heard all those shots at the security guard?
Something sounds seriously wrong here.