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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 12:02 PM Oct 2017

The Case For Impeaching Donald Trump is Real and Serious. Heres Why. -- Elizabeth Drew

I sat through weeks of impeachment proceedings against Richard Nixon. Forty-plus years later, I see the makings of another case.

ELIZABETH DREW
10.10.17 11:37 AM ET

With Republican members of congress becoming increasingly anxious about the unpredictable if not reckless president, the question of how Donald Trump could be removed from office has become more prevalent on Capitol Hill. The thinking used to be that the 2018 midterm elections might go a long way toward deciding whether the next congress would take up this question. But with all the president’s recent saber rattling, combined with his impulsiveness and alarming tendency to ignore his most qualified advisors, the matter is now considered more urgent.

As is well known, the Constitution sets forth two ways to remove a president. Article 25, which sets forth the mechanism for getting him out of office if he’s seen as “unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office,” is clumsy and perhaps unenforceable. Then, of course, there’s impeachment. Observers have insisted that Republican leadership would never allow an impeachment proceeding against Trump, or that too many Republicans fear “the base” to move against him. Such things can change over time. Richard Nixon had a base until he didn’t. Yes, Trump’s might be different. I’m not, however, addressing the question of the likelihood of such a proceeding but, rather, if congress were to seriously take up the matter of impeachment, what might be valid charges against him. Depending on what special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation turns up, there could be several such charges.
To impeach a president (in the House, by a majority) and then convict him (in the Senate, by a two-thirds vote) is appropriately difficult. It shouldn’t be easy. But it’s a critically important instrument for holding a president accountable for his actions. Impeachable offenses aren’t the same thing as crimes listed in the U.S. Code. In fact, that’s the point: a president can be held accountable for actions that aren’t necessarily crimes. A crime might be an impeachable offense - but not all impeachable offenses are crimes.

An impeachable offense is a crime against the Constitution, or the body politic – as Alexander Hamilton said, “injuries done immediately to the society itself.” Impeachment isn’t a process by which an established set of principles is enforced. There’s no tablet to be taken down from on high and followed; there’s no code of offenses for which a president can be charged. There are precedents, but they’re not binding, which is a good thing. Two of the previous impeachments, of Presidents Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton, were essentially partisan exercises which fell short of the needed Senate votes. On the other hand, Richard Nixon would have been impeached and convicted had he not given up the presidency to avoid that fate (and to hold onto his pension). The proceeding against Nixon in effect succeeded because it was serious and bipartisan. Whether such a formation is possible in today’s politics is questionable, but as the Republicans get increasingly worried about Trump, a bipartisan move against him becomes less far-fetched than has been widely assumed.

Having sat through weeks of deliberation by the House Judiciary Committee when it considered the impeachment of Nixon, and having kept up with the subject ever since, including talking to constitutional scholars, I believe that there are valid charges to be brought.

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The Case For Impeaching Donald Trump is Real and Serious. Heres Why. -- Elizabeth Drew (Original Post) DonViejo Oct 2017 OP
It may be useful to talk about an impeachment in terms of a criminal case, but... Girard442 Oct 2017 #1
GOP has a low risk shortcut available ThoughtCriminal Oct 2017 #2

Girard442

(6,075 posts)
1. It may be useful to talk about an impeachment in terms of a criminal case, but...
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 12:14 PM
Oct 2017

...the way the Constitution lays out the impeachment process, it is inevitably political. The House is the sole authority over what constitutes impeachable offenses and the Senate is the sole authority over whether the President is actually guilty of those offenses. There is no other body to appeal to. A president could be impeached and convicted for picking his nose.

Trump will only be impeached if either he becomes so unpopular that congressfolk can vote against him without endangering their seats, or he becomes so terrifying that they fear for ther lives if he's not.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,047 posts)
2. GOP has a low risk shortcut available
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 05:02 PM
Oct 2017

Force him to resign.

With Nixon, it was a careful count of how many Senators would vote against impeachment, when the count came up short, he resigned. In the case of Trump, I think he can be convinced even if he can count on 34+ GOP Senators to back him.

How?

Threaten to force the release of his tax returns. Long ago it became extremely obvious that keeping the returns secret was absolutely essential to Trump. What's in them? Everything that has been speculated - especially his dealings with Russia. Probably enough to not only make impeachment and conviction a certainty but probably bombshells that would have him fleeing the country to someplace where he can fight extradition.

The problem is that the GOP lacks even the handful of votes to make it happen. I suspect that they are terrified of where a real investigation of their own Russian connections will go.

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