If only...

The Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO) - if impeachment doesn't do Trump in maybe RICO will.

Then maybe then his orange jumpsuit will match his complexion.

I want him prosecuted and convicted. He is crooked and dirty, from the top of that ridiculous hair to the tips of his tiny fingers.

I'll be satisfied with nothing less than a prison term for Trump, Manafort, Flynn, Trump Jr., Trump's Son-in-law and daughter, Eric Trump, Roger Stone, and a few others. I might settle for somewhat less for the others, but Trump and his crime family must pay for their crimes by time spent in prison.

I don't follow politics closely enough toknow these names: Are these guys just democratic enthusiasts? Brookings institute: Is it easily dismissed as a leftist propaganda group? Please inform. Will any senators be moved by this?

Brookings states that its staff "represent diverse points of view" and describes itself as non-partisan,[1][15] and the media sometimes describes Brookings as either "conservative",[16] "centrist"[17] or "liberal."[18] An academic analysis of Congressional records from 1993 to 2002 found that Brookings was referenced by conservative politicians almost as frequently as liberal politicians, earning a score of 53 on a 1–100 scale with 100 representing the most liberal score.[19] The same study found Brookings to be the most frequently cited think tank by the US media and politicians.[19]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brookings_Institution

Gives them questions to ask. Glad to see the heavy hitters doing their own math and investigating.

Using Trump as a shield to pass all kinds of awful legislation. Trump is not the only one wanting to piss on anything Obama slept on. Mitch wanted to erase him from the moment he was elected, where his grand plan was to make Obama a one term President. And then, if that went to plan, I'm sure was going to dismantle anything Obama had accomplished at that point.

Like wringing out a towel. They will squeeze every last drop of stale orange piss from it first before discarding it. I agree, it will then be like a multi-domino effect. Rats jumping ship.

And then I predict, Mitch, Ryan, and other GOP leaders will try and come out and say "Gosh....we never would have guessed!...We are all shocked and dismayed at the Presidents behaviour"

With the sole authority to adjudicate criminal matters perpetrated by a member of the executive branch?

Seems like a flaw in the game plan.

Perhaps they didn't foresee the us vs. them political game that our system has devolved into.

Unfortunately, parties are pretty much inevitable, as is any viable survival strategy, however harmful.

Whether The House is the sole authority has never been tested. Can a sitting president be indicted? We don't yet know but, I have a strong suspicion we are about to find out. The House and Senate are the two bodies that can remove a president from office. That clause in the Constitution does not prevent a sitting president from being indicted and tried in a criminal court. That is my opinion. It may be Bob Mueller's as well.

impeachment and removal is solely concerned with removal from office, and is not specifically tied to criminal law.

abuse of office and nebulous crimes against the country be considered grounds for impeachment even if not covered by criminal law. congress doesn't need to find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, etc.


some people have made the argument that a sitting president can't be tried in criminal court, or perhaps can't even be indicted on a criminal charge, until he leaves office one way or another.

personally i find this a ludicrous argument. the founders, who were very keen on trying to prevent tyranny, surely would never agree that a president should be above the law, even temporarily. aside from that, there's nothing in the constitution that says that impeachment and removal is the *only* potential consequence of breaking the law. just because congress can remove him doesn't mean that the government can't also try and imprison him.

We can't take much more of this insanity.

The sunlight of truth ... Mueller time is coming soon...

First: currently, Republicans would have to move on impeachment. That will never happen. This guy is their ID, most of them are all there for his message, just not for the delivery.

Second: if Dems take back the house and senate, I suspect the first utterance from the leadership will be "impeachment is off the table".

Why do you think impeachment would be off the table?

Would this be in order to a better chance of passing legislation?

I'm genuinely curious and don't have an opinion formed about this yet.

the optics going into 2020 and the presidential election.

Also, because the (unwarranted) impeachment of Bill Clinton hurt the Republicans.

Finally, because that was Pelosi's stand with regard to W.

I just have no faith that there is any way out of this nightmare.

Nothing would please me more than seeing the boot applied to 45's posterior, but there are indeed other issues.

Really? They wrested control of the WH in 2000 in the middle of an economic boom. How bad did it really hurt them?

and that is what congresscritters care about.

I hope I'm wrong, I really do, but I don't think Dems have the will to impeach him.

that if the Dems are in the majority in the House and Senate after 2018 that their first words will be "impeachment is off the table."

I hope you turn out to be wrong, but that's the sort of thing they've been doing for years.

but, I don't think impeachment will be off the table this time around. I think there is just too much out there already to even try to stop impeachment. If they hold hearings, I think there will be so much laid out there that many Republicans will join with them as well.

:/

And lots more here: Trump's New Impeachable Offenses: Obstruction of Justice, Conspiracy, Abuse of Power

The Brookings Institution Report: Presidential obstruction of justice: The case of Donald J. Trump
Barry H. Berke, Noah Bookbinder, and Norman Eisen -- October 10, 2017

Note: Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) is a party (and is providing representation to other parties) in active litigation involving President Trump and the administration. Noah Bookbinder is the executive director and Norman Eisen is the chair and co-founder of CREW. Barry Berke and Kramer Levin are outside pro bono counsel to CREW.

Link to tweet

Democratic House and Senate majority."

That's some tough sledding ahead:

http://cookpolitical.com/analysis/house/house-overview/democrats-could-use-few-more-gop-house-retirements


http://cookpolitical.com/analysis/senate/senate-overview/democrats-face-steep-climb-win-back-senate


Of course, a bombshell from Mueller could significantly influence the midterms and perhaps the willingness of a few GOP congressmen to consider impeachment and removal. Barring that, I'm afraid the only way that Trump is out is if he resigns or does something so egregiously dangerous and demented that those around him invoke the 25th Amendment.

Mueller’s group is impaneled to investigate and answer if any laws were broken. If there were, then Mueller would go to the Courts to obtain a Indictment and send the case to trial. That OP is offering an opinion about Impeachment, since that would only be up to the House of Representatives. Mueller wouldn’t intervene or recommend Impeachment since he could be called as a Witness.

I can't imagine anything he'd do that would get him impeached.

If Trump serves two years and is then impeached, Pence will then be president. Pence would then serve two years, but be allowed to serve two full terms after that if he is elected.

as long as the vote is counted on easily hacked (by Russian hackers as easily as anybody else) computers.

Rots-a-Ruck.

You need a democracy to manage things like people voting rascals out of office, and you can't have a democracy when the vote is counted on easily hacked, unverifiable (or never verified) electronic voting machines.

Any day now...

Rec

Yawn.

Until Dems hold the house Trump will remain the symbol and soul of the US.
He could walk into Congress with a gun and start killing Congressmen and they would do nothing.

Our only hope is the 2018 election.

Not only would Democrats have to win back both houses — because there could be video of Trump selling Putin the actual, original Declaration of Independence and Republicans wouldn’t give a shit — but they’d have to have the 3/5ths and 2/3rds majorities needed to even bother with it (see the aforementioned “Declaration of Independence Voter Loss” theory).

It’s just not going to happen. We have to get majorities in Congress, and we have to win back our state houses. That’s our only way forward as far as I can tell.

Sorry, but just because you happen to like the message, doesn't mean you should be citing this source of fake news.

DU should have a list of websites that cannot be cited as a source.

Also, STOP DAYDREAMING ABOUT IMPEACHMENT.

The message came with a link to the report; do tell how that's not legitimate, or 'fake news' (did you make up that expression?).

And stop counseling!

Republicans are running the show. And they don't care about the law, or breaking it. They are making it clearer by the day they dont even care about the appearance of breaking the law.

I find it hard to believe this level of arrogance hasn't secured its electoral backing one way or another before being willing to "go public" with their disregard for the law and the citizens.

And they have the court.

They aren't going to let us have majorities in the house, or the senate, unless they know full well they have enough of the purported democrats under their thumbs to render the numbers harmless. Zellers, Liebermans, etc.

a house majority is certainly important in terms of whether or not donnie gets impeached.

but then a trail automatically happens in the senate, whether we have a majority or not.

and removal requires 2/3rds of the senate. a majority has nothing to do with that, aside from the fact that it means we need slightly fewer republicans to agree. in any event, we can't do it without the help of a meaningful numbers of republicans -- 16, even if we have the senate 51-49.


of course, a senate majority would be great for other reasons, particularly in terms of appointments. just not for removal after impeachment. it doesn't really help on that front.

He's had an entire warehouse full of shoes drop and nothing has been done!