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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo does Chumpy have any proof of having a genius IQ?
When I was giving IQ tests we always provided the parents or adults with printed copies of the reports, which included scores. Surely his affluent family kept copies of such important material and can now post those results on the internet. That way he could make sure that his "moron" status is put to rest.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)His entire life history shows how important his word is to him.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)fierywoman
(7,684 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)frazzled
(18,402 posts)But it's under audit, so he can't make the results public yet.
Look, obviously this man is not a genius. It's just another act of baseless braggadocio, like the size of the crowds at his inauguration. Demonstrably false on its face.
CanonRay
(14,103 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)I'm guessing his actual IQ is around 85 (Low Average). But of course it's just a guess, and might be lower than when he was at his prime, due to age and possibly dementia. But I doubt he was ever much over 100, 50th percentile.
Maeve
(42,282 posts)Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)Qualifying score FAQ
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TexasProgresive
(12,157 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)As to college grades, I wish we could get an interview with the people paid to do his studies for him or the professors paid to give him A's in classes while not even showing up to class.
Siwsan
(26,263 posts)And frankly, a high IQ isn't an indication of common sense, morality, capability or sanity.
Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)Kaleva
(36,307 posts)Trump University level
FSogol
(45,488 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)fierywoman
(7,684 posts)MindPilot
(12,693 posts)Grammy23
(5,810 posts)That was the admonition we were given whenever we did anything important or significant like achievement tests or IQ tests. Or tried to burn the school down.
Surely, somewhere in the Annals of Time, tRump should be able to get his hands on an IQ test he took somewhere along the line. The results of ANY IQ test he took now, he wouldn't Want publicized.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)brush
(53,782 posts)Last edited Tue Oct 10, 2017, 02:48 PM - Edit history (1)
The rest of us who lie somewhere between dumber than a rock and actual brilliance know that trump is in the lowest registry of hard, round earth objects or put another way in the extreme, highest level of moronity, a fucking moron.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)Without the self-awareness of metacognition, low-ability people cannot objectively evaluate their actual competence or incompetence.
As described by social psychologists David Dunning and Justin Kruger, the cognitive bias of illusory superiority results from an internal illusion in people of low ability and from an external misperception in people of high ability; that is, "the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others."[1] Hence, the corollary to the DunningKruger effect indicates that persons of high ability tend to underestimate their relative competence and erroneously presume that tasks that are easy for them to perform also are easy for other people to perform.[1]
Original study
The psychological phenomenon of illusory superiority was identified as a form of cognitive bias in Kruger and Dunning's 1999 study "Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments".[1] The identification derived from the cognitive bias evident in the criminal case of McArthur Wheeler, who robbed banks with his face covered with lemon juice, which he believed would make it invisible to the surveillance cameras. Wheeler's incompetence was based on his misunderstanding the chemical properties of lemon juice as an invisible ink.
More: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
brush
(53,782 posts)genxlib
(5,528 posts)It is pretty apparent that rich people thing they are smarter than everyone else even when they inherit the money. Sadly, a lot of poor people think the same thing and look up to people like Trump simply because they are rich.
In reality, the real correlation is that rich people can surround themselves with people who tell them they are smart.
Orrex
(63,213 posts)Every time a loudmouth touts their own IQ, and every time they denigrate someone else for having a supposedly low(er) IQ, knock 20 points off of the loudmouth's alleged IQ. You'll get to their true score in short order.
And if they never actually reveal their own IQ, start them at a nominal 130, and knock 20 off from that each time.
More seriously, IQ is a highly accurate measure of how well people do on IQ tests. It is nothing else.
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)A guy with one of the, if not THE highest IQ in the world was a bouncer in a Long Island bar. Perfect example of IQ being meaningless.
Kaleva
(36,307 posts)Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)Christopher Michael Langan (born March 25, 1952) is an American whose IQ was reportedly believed to be "between 190 and 210". In Morris 2001, Langan relates that he took what was billed as "the world's most difficult IQ test" in Omni magazine, and he gives his IQ as "somewhere between 190 and 210". He has been described as "the smartest man in America" as well as "the smartest man in the world" by some journalists. Langan has developed a "theory of the relationship between mind and reality" which he calls the "Cognitive-Theoretic Model of the Universe" (CTMU)
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Langan took a string of labor-intensive jobs for some time, and by his mid-40s had been a construction worker, cowboy, Forest Service Ranger, farmhand, and, for over twenty years, a bouncer on Long Island.
Langan was also approached and contracted by Disney Research and he previously worked for Virtual Logistix, a technology company. According to company records, Langan "produced original research in various fields of mathematics, including graph theory, algebra, advanced logic and model theory, abstract computation theory and the theory of computational intractability, artificial intelligence, physics and cosmology".
Langan said he developed a "double-life strategy": on one side a regular guy, doing his job and exchanging pleasantries, and on the other side coming home to perform equations in his head, working in isolation on his Cognitive-Theoretic Model of the Universe (CTMU).
Kaleva
(36,307 posts)The post I replied to had lead me to believe that all he did was work at a job or jobs that a person with average intelligence could do. But in fact he is quite exceptional.
Not Ruth
(3,613 posts)Which was his main job. He developed CTMU after work, in his mind, at home.
Kaleva
(36,307 posts)This is like playing the old D & D RPG. It was very easy for smart players to role play characters of average intelligence but very hard for any of us to play a character that was supposed to be a genius.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)Than working at a supposedly high level, prestigious job. The could show that they are smarter than many people who struggle to "get ahead" at jobs they hate.
ProfessorGAC
(65,057 posts)That's about the extent of it, i would surmise.
Amishman
(5,557 posts)nolabear
(41,984 posts)IQ tests are nice tests of mathematical, verbal and visual/spatial ability. They don't take into account myriad kinds of intelligence and frankly shouldn't be used to rank anyone's ability to do anything other than solve those kinds of problems.
Multiple Intelligence Theory is a far better indicator of who might be suited to a particular job. 45 seems reasonably smart to me in some ways but I'd but them in the category of cunning rather than intelligence. He's a master manipulator for certain kinds of people and can dance around verbally with astounding acuity. But it's all in the service of his narrow, uncaring, selfish, narcissistic purposes. Cunning and wise are two very, very different things.
Kaleva
(36,307 posts)Gothmog
(145,291 posts)Trump lies about going to the Wharton Business School and his class standing. Trump was too stupid to get into the graduate program at Wharton and did not graduate with honors. His Alma Mater actually published the graduation program to prove that trump did not graduate with honors
librechik
(30,674 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)greytdemocrat
(3,299 posts)I have it on good authority he has
the Fortune Cookie that told him so
on his desk!!!
spanone
(135,841 posts)Dirty Socialist
(3,252 posts)I saw that on Facebook. I later learned that was a Russian Fake News story.
rock
(13,218 posts)You know: proof, confirmation, reason, sense, etc.