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MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 01:36 PM Oct 2017

So does Chumpy have any proof of having a genius IQ?

When I was giving IQ tests we always provided the parents or adults with printed copies of the reports, which included scores. Surely his affluent family kept copies of such important material and can now post those results on the internet. That way he could make sure that his "moron" status is put to rest.



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So does Chumpy have any proof of having a genius IQ? (Original Post) MoonRiver Oct 2017 OP
His word. Who could doubt Trump? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #1
Riiiiiight! MoonRiver Oct 2017 #2
He'd have it photoshopped from 60 to 160. fierywoman Oct 2017 #19
NIce. eom guillaumeb Oct 2017 #27
It's with his tax returns. frazzled Oct 2017 #3
Yes, his IQ test is being audited CanonRay Oct 2017 #6
Of course I know that. MoonRiver Oct 2017 #11
The voices in his head said it's true and that's all the proof he needs! eom Maeve Oct 2017 #4
If you are interested in how one qualifies, it seems fairly easy to be ranked as a "genius" Not Ruth Oct 2017 #5
He'll release it after the audit. TexasProgresive Oct 2017 #7
On twitter along with his college grades, the ones the right demanded from Obama Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #26
He could probably produce the highest score his Dad could afford, for him Siwsan Oct 2017 #8
Well sure, by divine right he says he is the smartest, he is the smartest...silly people Thomas Hurt Oct 2017 #9
He writes and speaks at a Phd level Kaleva Oct 2017 #10
compared to his supporters? FSogol Oct 2017 #12
This, lol MoonRiver Oct 2017 #14
touche'! fierywoman Oct 2017 #20
a Phd...Piled Higher & Deeper MindPilot Oct 2017 #30
Remember this? It will go on your permanent record. Grammy23 Oct 2017 #13
True dat! MoonRiver Oct 2017 #16
A lot of morons think they're brilliant. brush Oct 2017 #15
DunningKruger effect csziggy Oct 2017 #35
Heehee. Thanks for putting it in scientific terms. brush Oct 2017 #37
To many people, IQ is scored in dollar signs genxlib Oct 2017 #17
Here's a surprisingly accurate way to test IQ: Orrex Oct 2017 #18
IQ is a highly accurate measure of how well people do on IQ tests. It is nothing else. Not Ruth Oct 2017 #23
I doubt the majority of people with very high IQs work at menial jobs Kaleva Oct 2017 #28
No way of knowing Not Ruth Oct 2017 #33
So this post refutes your earlier post. Kaleva Oct 2017 #39
Perfect example of IQ being meaningless, anyone can be and is a bouncer. Not Ruth Oct 2017 #40
But to do what he has done, one would need exceptional intelligence or a very high IQ Kaleva Oct 2017 #41
Maybe working at jobs that satisfy them makes them happier csziggy Oct 2017 #36
Daddy Told Him When He Was 10 ProfessorGAC Oct 2017 #21
Yes, he completed the Cracker Barrel IQ tester Amishman Oct 2017 #22
A teacher of mine once copped my scores for me. I'm really smart. But it doesn't mean that much. nolabear Oct 2017 #24
Trump certainly lacks theoretical and practical wisdom. Kaleva Oct 2017 #29
Nope Gothmog Oct 2017 #25
Sara Huckabee just said trump's IQ is a joke. n/t librechik Oct 2017 #31
Wow, Huckabee told the truth for once! MoonRiver Oct 2017 #38
Of course he does. greytdemocrat Oct 2017 #32
his tweets show about a third grade level of comprehension spanone Oct 2017 #34
His IQ is 156 Dirty Socialist Oct 2017 #42
Chumpy don't do 'evidence' or similar kind of stuff rock Oct 2017 #43

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
3. It's with his tax returns.
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 01:39 PM
Oct 2017

But it's under audit, so he can't make the results public yet.

Look, obviously this man is not a genius. It's just another act of baseless braggadocio, like the size of the crowds at his inauguration. Demonstrably false on its face.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
11. Of course I know that.
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 01:48 PM
Oct 2017

I'm guessing his actual IQ is around 85 (Low Average). But of course it's just a guess, and might be lower than when he was at his prime, due to age and possibly dementia. But I doubt he was ever much over 100, 50th percentile.

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
5. If you are interested in how one qualifies, it seems fairly easy to be ranked as a "genius"
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 01:45 PM
Oct 2017

Qualifying score FAQ

What are some of the tests accepted for admission into American Mensa?
We accept approximately 200 different test scores for Mensa membership. We do not, however, accept tests of achievement, such as the Iowa Tests of Basic Skills and the California Tests of Basic Skills. Generally, we accept tests that measure aptitude or ability. Since this list is constantly changing as more tests are developed and reviewed, we do not have a complete list available. If your test is not listed, please contact Testing and Admissions.

Please note that, in order for scores to be accepted for Mensa membership, tests must be administered by a neutral and qualified third party in a traditional testing environment under conditions appropriate for the norming standards of each test (such as the classroom of a certified school teacher or a private psychologist).

Where can I find my old scores?
You may be able to get original copies of your test scores by contacting one of the following agencies:

GMAT: Graduate Management Admission Council, 1600 Tysons Blvd. Ste. 1400, McLean, VA 22102; 866-505-6559; gmac.com

GRE: Educational Testing Service, PO Box 592, Princeton NJ 08540; 609-921-9000; ets.org

SAT: SAT Program, College Board, P.O. Box 8057, Mt. Vernon, IL 62864; collegeboard.com

ACT: American College Testing, PO Box 168, Iowa City IA 55240; act.org

LSAT: LSAC, Box 2000-T, Newtown PA 18940; lsac.org

AGCT, GT, NGCT, GCT: National Personnel Records Center, attn: Military Personnel Records, 9700 Page Blvd., St. Louis MO 63132; archives.gov/st-louis/military-personnel

Miller Analogy (MAT): Psychological Corporation, 555 Academic Cir., San Antonio TX 78204; 800-622-3231; pearsonassessments.com

It has been a long time. Are my scores still acceptable?
Scores are acceptable forever as long as they meet the Mensa requirements.

What about SAT blended scores?
Mensa does not accept blended scores or those from more than one test administration.

How long does the evaluation process take?
Evaluation of prior test scores should only take two to four weeks. If it has been longer since you sent in your evidence of prior testing, please contact Testing and Admissions.

Why do you take the top 5 percent on the GMAT?
This is because the sample — those taking the GMAT — is not a normally distributed sample. (They have probably completed three to four years of college.) The scores are adjusted to reflect this.

What is acceptable documentation?
If the test was administered by a school or school psychologist, the acceptable format is:

An original or notarized copy of the report from the school psychologist, on school district letterhead, signed by the psychologist; OR
An official school transcript (with the school seal or sealed in a school district envelope); OR
A letter from the school guidance office, on school letterhead, signed by an administrator.
If the test was given by an individual psychologist, the acceptable format is:

Documentation on psychologist, clinic or agency letterhead;
The candidate's name;
The date of test;
The name of test;
The full scale IQ and percentile;
The original signature of the psychologist giving the test; AND
The inclusion of the psychologist's license number.
If the test was given by the armed forces, the acceptable format is a notarized copy of the record or the record sent from the National Personnel Records Center.

How do I submit acceptable documentation?
To submit your past testing evidence, you have three options:

Submit the original documentation yourself. If you would like the original returned, please include a SASE with your scores (otherwise, the documents will be shredded).
Send us a notarized copy of the original documentation.
Have the school or testing service send your scores directly to us. To protect your privacy, some testing services will only send test scores directly to you. In this case, have them send it to you and then mail it, unopened, to us.
I want to keep my originals. What if I want my documentation returned?
You have two choices:

Send the original with a SASE so that we may return it to you (otherwise, the documents will be shredded); OR
Send in a notarized copy. Please have the notary write a jurat stating, "This is a true and exact copy of the original presented before me on this date."
Where do I send my documentation?
Send to:

American Mensa, Ltd.
Attn: Testing and Admissions Manager
1229 Corporate Drive West
Arlington TX 76006-6103

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
26. On twitter along with his college grades, the ones the right demanded from Obama
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 02:16 PM
Oct 2017

As to college grades, I wish we could get an interview with the people paid to do his studies for him or the professors paid to give him A's in classes while not even showing up to class.

Siwsan

(26,263 posts)
8. He could probably produce the highest score his Dad could afford, for him
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 01:46 PM
Oct 2017

And frankly, a high IQ isn't an indication of common sense, morality, capability or sanity.

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
13. Remember this? It will go on your permanent record.
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 01:49 PM
Oct 2017

That was the admonition we were given whenever we did anything important or significant like achievement tests or IQ tests. Or tried to burn the school down.

Surely, somewhere in the Annals of Time, tRump should be able to get his hands on an IQ test he took somewhere along the line. The results of ANY IQ test he took now, he wouldn't Want publicized.

brush

(53,782 posts)
15. A lot of morons think they're brilliant.
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 01:49 PM
Oct 2017

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The rest of us who lie somewhere between dumber than a rock and actual brilliance know that trump is in the lowest registry of hard, round earth objects — or put another way — in the extreme, highest level of moronity, a fucking moron.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
35. DunningKruger effect
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 02:38 PM
Oct 2017
In the field of psychology, the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias wherein people of low ability suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their cognitive ability as greater than it is. The cognitive bias of illusory superiority derives from the metacognitive inability of low-ability persons to recognize their own ineptitude.

Without the self-awareness of metacognition, low-ability people cannot objectively evaluate their actual competence or incompetence.

As described by social psychologists David Dunning and Justin Kruger, the cognitive bias of illusory superiority results from an internal illusion in people of low ability and from an external misperception in people of high ability; that is, "the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others."[1] Hence, the corollary to the Dunning–Kruger effect indicates that persons of high ability tend to underestimate their relative competence and erroneously presume that tasks that are easy for them to perform also are easy for other people to perform.[1]

Original study
The psychological phenomenon of illusory superiority was identified as a form of cognitive bias in Kruger and Dunning's 1999 study "Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments".[1] The identification derived from the cognitive bias evident in the criminal case of McArthur Wheeler, who robbed banks with his face covered with lemon juice, which he believed would make it invisible to the surveillance cameras. Wheeler's incompetence was based on his misunderstanding the chemical properties of lemon juice as an invisible ink.

More: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

genxlib

(5,528 posts)
17. To many people, IQ is scored in dollar signs
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 01:58 PM
Oct 2017

It is pretty apparent that rich people thing they are smarter than everyone else even when they inherit the money. Sadly, a lot of poor people think the same thing and look up to people like Trump simply because they are rich.

In reality, the real correlation is that rich people can surround themselves with people who tell them they are smart.

Orrex

(63,213 posts)
18. Here's a surprisingly accurate way to test IQ:
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 01:59 PM
Oct 2017

Every time a loudmouth touts their own IQ, and every time they denigrate someone else for having a supposedly low(er) IQ, knock 20 points off of the loudmouth's alleged IQ. You'll get to their true score in short order.

And if they never actually reveal their own IQ, start them at a nominal 130, and knock 20 off from that each time.


More seriously, IQ is a highly accurate measure of how well people do on IQ tests. It is nothing else.

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
23. IQ is a highly accurate measure of how well people do on IQ tests. It is nothing else.
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 02:08 PM
Oct 2017

A guy with one of the, if not THE highest IQ in the world was a bouncer in a Long Island bar. Perfect example of IQ being meaningless.

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
33. No way of knowing
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 02:26 PM
Oct 2017

Christopher Michael Langan (born March 25, 1952) is an American whose IQ was reportedly believed to be "between 190 and 210". In Morris 2001, Langan relates that he took what was billed as "the world's most difficult IQ test" in Omni magazine, and he gives his IQ as "somewhere between 190 and 210". He has been described as "the smartest man in America" as well as "the smartest man in the world" by some journalists. Langan has developed a "theory of the relationship between mind and reality" which he calls the "Cognitive-Theoretic Model of the Universe" (CTMU)

....

Langan took a string of labor-intensive jobs for some time, and by his mid-40s had been a construction worker, cowboy, Forest Service Ranger, farmhand, and, for over twenty years, a bouncer on Long Island.

Langan was also approached and contracted by Disney Research and he previously worked for Virtual Logistix, a technology company. According to company records, Langan "produced original research in various fields of mathematics, including graph theory, algebra, advanced logic and model theory, abstract computation theory and the theory of computational intractability, artificial intelligence, physics and cosmology".

Langan said he developed a "double-life strategy": on one side a regular guy, doing his job and exchanging pleasantries, and on the other side coming home to perform equations in his head, working in isolation on his Cognitive-Theoretic Model of the Universe (CTMU).

Kaleva

(36,307 posts)
39. So this post refutes your earlier post.
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 03:24 PM
Oct 2017

The post I replied to had lead me to believe that all he did was work at a job or jobs that a person with average intelligence could do. But in fact he is quite exceptional.

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
40. Perfect example of IQ being meaningless, anyone can be and is a bouncer.
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 03:28 PM
Oct 2017

Which was his main job. He developed CTMU after work, in his mind, at home.

Kaleva

(36,307 posts)
41. But to do what he has done, one would need exceptional intelligence or a very high IQ
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 03:36 PM
Oct 2017

This is like playing the old D & D RPG. It was very easy for smart players to role play characters of average intelligence but very hard for any of us to play a character that was supposed to be a genius.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
36. Maybe working at jobs that satisfy them makes them happier
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 02:45 PM
Oct 2017

Than working at a supposedly high level, prestigious job. The could show that they are smarter than many people who struggle to "get ahead" at jobs they hate.

nolabear

(41,984 posts)
24. A teacher of mine once copped my scores for me. I'm really smart. But it doesn't mean that much.
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 02:10 PM
Oct 2017

IQ tests are nice tests of mathematical, verbal and visual/spatial ability. They don't take into account myriad kinds of intelligence and frankly shouldn't be used to rank anyone's ability to do anything other than solve those kinds of problems.

Multiple Intelligence Theory is a far better indicator of who might be suited to a particular job. 45 seems reasonably smart to me in some ways but I'd but them in the category of cunning rather than intelligence. He's a master manipulator for certain kinds of people and can dance around verbally with astounding acuity. But it's all in the service of his narrow, uncaring, selfish, narcissistic purposes. Cunning and wise are two very, very different things.

Gothmog

(145,291 posts)
25. Nope
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 02:10 PM
Oct 2017

Trump lies about going to the Wharton Business School and his class standing. Trump was too stupid to get into the graduate program at Wharton and did not graduate with honors. His Alma Mater actually published the graduation program to prove that trump did not graduate with honors

rock

(13,218 posts)
43. Chumpy don't do 'evidence' or similar kind of stuff
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 04:17 PM
Oct 2017

You know: proof, confirmation, reason, sense, etc.

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