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pnwmom

(108,979 posts)
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 02:00 PM Oct 2017

Weinstein didn't give any money for Hillary or President Obama's PERSONAL USE.

He gave it to their campaigns. And those campaigns closed long ago, and disbursed their funds. It's unfair for anyone to demand that people who have left politics return funds that they no longer have access to -- and I have to question the motives of anyone who's joining in the chorus.

I mean you, CNN.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/trump-speaks-defends-fox-news-ceo-ailes/story?id=40844437

Donald Trump is defending his longtime friend Roger Ailes in the wake of sexual harassment allegations and growing controversy surrounding the top-rated cable news channel.

Appearing on Showtime's "The Circus," the Republican presidential nominee offered up praise for the former chairman and chief executive of Fox News, saying, "I think it's so sad. He's such a great guy."

SNIP

In an appearance on "Meet the Press" on Sunday, Trump also appeared to question the motives behind some of the allegations of harassment. "Some of the women that are complaining, I know how much he's helped them...now all of a sudden, they are saying these horrible things about him, it's very sad because he's a very good person," he said.

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Weinstein didn't give any money for Hillary or President Obama's PERSONAL USE. (Original Post) pnwmom Oct 2017 OP
I disagree. The money is tainted and it taints them not to return it. 50 Shades Of Blue Oct 2017 #1
They don't possess it. It was already spent and they aren't raising funds anymore. nt pnwmom Oct 2017 #2
Doesn't matter. 50 Shades Of Blue Oct 2017 #3
Of course it does. It wasn't their PERSONAL money to control PERSONALLY. pnwmom Oct 2017 #5
Splitting hairs. They need to return the money. Period. 50 Shades Of Blue Oct 2017 #7
are you serious? JHan Oct 2017 #10
Either give it back to Weinstein or give it to charity. But don't keep it. 50 Shades Of Blue Oct 2017 #14
Why should they give it back to Weinstein? How? It's already been used. JHan Oct 2017 #20
How do you know get the donation was tainted from the get go? 50 Shades Of Blue Oct 2017 #24
"Keeping it" ? We're passed that point aren't we? JHan Oct 2017 #27
And I responded. When you get dirty money you don't keep it. Period. 50 Shades Of Blue Oct 2017 #32
... JHan Oct 2017 #35
Do you work for a living? Are you sure your boss is 100% clean? Are you sure the whole business... Hekate Oct 2017 #45
. . . pnwmom Oct 2017 #50
Some of the recipients (e.g., campaigns) don't exist anymore. LisaM Oct 2017 #39
It's the opposite of splitting hairs. There needs to be a red line drawn between campaign funds pnwmom Oct 2017 #11
I can't believe I am reading this on a Democratic forum. 50 Shades Of Blue Oct 2017 #15
Me, neither. "Splitting hairs" when talking about the difference pnwmom Oct 2017 #17
You can't separate the campaign from the person. 50 Shades Of Blue Oct 2017 #19
The law REQUIRES that campaign funds be entirely separate from personal funds. n/t pnwmom Oct 2017 #23
The law requires one thing. Moral behavior requires another. 50 Shades Of Blue Oct 2017 #26
Moral behavior doesn't require them to do anything with funds they don't control. n/t pnwmom Oct 2017 #42
ahem...I believe SoB is here to sow strife and dissention. trof Oct 2017 #60
It is not splitting hairs. murielm99 Oct 2017 #61
Get real. The money has been properly disbursed and is not returnable. :eyes: Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2017 #59
Wow. OMG we are doomed n/t kcr Oct 2017 #4
That's exactly what a Repub would say if this was about Repubs. 50 Shades Of Blue Oct 2017 #8
If this were about Repubs we'd be talking about POTUS kcr Oct 2017 #13
Changing the subject, huh? Another Repug tactic. 50 Shades Of Blue Oct 2017 #16
No. Same exact topic we were discussing before, actually. kcr Oct 2017 #18
No, it isn't. This isn't about Trump. It's about Dems doing the right thing. 50 Shades Of Blue Oct 2017 #21
You were the one who turned the discussion toward what would happen if this were the GOP. kcr Oct 2017 #25
No - I was pointing out the hypocristy. A Republican keeping money 50 Shades Of Blue Oct 2017 #29
If we're talking equivalent scenarios? Only by idiots. kcr Oct 2017 #34
Democrats should automatically have high standards for whom they accept contributions from. 50 Shades Of Blue Oct 2017 #36
Democrats should have ESP and not accept any money from anyone who'll become embroiled in a scandal kcr Oct 2017 #38
parroting idiotic RW points is way too common.. JHan Oct 2017 #37
I am always suspicious of people claiming to be Democrats that bash Democrats leftofcool Oct 2017 #46
I am, too, but this mindset is insidious kcr Oct 2017 #49
Are you kidding? IOKIYAR treestar Oct 2017 #52
What if they spent it? Did the taint move delisen Oct 2017 #28
Now they know it is tainted, there is only one thing to do. 50 Shades Of Blue Oct 2017 #30
Bury it in the ground-a woman with a delisen Oct 2017 #33
Absolutely! leftofcool Oct 2017 #47
Completely Nonsensical Me. Oct 2017 #31
What is the precise mechanism you would suggest to return the money LanternWaste Oct 2017 #43
It would do nothing genxlib Oct 2017 #6
Fine, give it to charity - just don't keep anyting they got from this monster. 50 Shades Of Blue Oct 2017 #9
They're not keeping anything they got from Weinstein. It was spent long ago. n/t pnwmom Oct 2017 #12
You're wasting your time trying to explain it any further. OnDoutside Oct 2017 #40
Don't waste your time here. leftofcool Oct 2017 #48
FUCK the media...just heard on cnn driving home...'Hillary Breaks Her Silence' fuck the media spanone Oct 2017 #22
That's the type of fucked up reporting they did all through the campaign JI7 Oct 2017 #41
A private citizen breaks her silence..... Hmmm OnDoutside Oct 2017 #44
What is everyone else doing, you do not have to go first, optics are bad if you go last Not Ruth Oct 2017 #51
k&r. We have to stop letting right-wing assholes dictate our fate. nt ecstatic Oct 2017 #53
Obama and Hillary did not molest women. Why are they being blamed for anything. Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #54
Hillary should point out that she spent those contributions on campaign advertisements with CNN ... dawg Oct 2017 #55
LOL pnwmom Oct 2017 #58
ALL DONATIONS should be subject to review and return based on personal behavior hexola Oct 2017 #56
I don't see how this is even a story, but anything in a pinch to blame Democrats. Vinca Oct 2017 #57

pnwmom

(108,979 posts)
5. Of course it does. It wasn't their PERSONAL money to control PERSONALLY.
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 02:07 PM
Oct 2017

It was received by their separate campaigns and their campaigns closed out long ago.

50 Shades Of Blue

(10,004 posts)
7. Splitting hairs. They need to return the money. Period.
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 02:10 PM
Oct 2017

Otherwise it looks bad. It already looks bad enough!

50 Shades Of Blue

(10,004 posts)
14. Either give it back to Weinstein or give it to charity. But don't keep it.
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 02:18 PM
Oct 2017

Unless you are fine with Democrats keeping political contributions from sexual predators. I know I am not!

JHan

(10,173 posts)
20. Why should they give it back to Weinstein? How? It's already been used.
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 02:23 PM
Oct 2017

There is no "Keeping" if it's already been spent, and even if they still had it, wouldn't that be filling his coffers if they were to return it? (??)

And don't democrats generally donate to charity, specifically those focused on helping the victims of assault? Are you going to track down every donation ever made to a Democratic politician from a sexual harasser?

My questions to you aren't me being "fine " with sexual predators. I'm trying to understand your reasoning - I get your moral outrage because I share it but I don't see how it is satiated by returning funds already spent to Weinstein.

50 Shades Of Blue

(10,004 posts)
24. How do you know get the donation was tainted from the get go?
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 02:25 PM
Oct 2017

Keeping it taints the recipient.
Period.
Over.
Out.

Hekate

(90,708 posts)
45. Do you work for a living? Are you sure your boss is 100% clean? Are you sure the whole business...
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 02:39 PM
Oct 2017

...is 100% clean? Really, really sure?

Are you self-employed? Are you sure all your clients are 100% clean? Really?

Are you prepared to take out a loan to give back all the money they gave you that you spent on groceries, mortgage, kids' shoes?

Because I've got to tell you, your hands are covered with muck by your own standards for others. Shame shame shame.

LisaM

(27,813 posts)
39. Some of the recipients (e.g., campaigns) don't exist anymore.
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 02:36 PM
Oct 2017

The DNC did re-direct some of the money to EMILY's List (which obviously means that the money will now go to help women's campaigns).

People who currently have campaign funds (Schumer, Warren) seem to have returned it.

The money wasn't donated in a lump sum to one organization and, has been pointed out, much has already been spent, presumably a lot of it on third-party vendors who deserve to get paid for their work.

This is just another attempt to discredit the DNC.

pnwmom

(108,979 posts)
11. It's the opposite of splitting hairs. There needs to be a red line drawn between campaign funds
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 02:14 PM
Oct 2017

and personal funds.

pnwmom

(108,979 posts)
17. Me, neither. "Splitting hairs" when talking about the difference
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 02:21 PM
Oct 2017

between campaign funds and personal funds.

Wow.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,002 posts)
59. Get real. The money has been properly disbursed and is not returnable. :eyes:
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 04:26 PM
Oct 2017

Welcome to DU. Hope you enjoy your stay.

kcr

(15,317 posts)
13. If this were about Repubs we'd be talking about POTUS
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 02:17 PM
Oct 2017

But because this is about Dems and the trend of incessant Dem bashing from both sides, we get Return the Donations! RAWRRR! So, yeppers. Time to get used to four more years of Trump, and then endless GOP rule after that.

kcr

(15,317 posts)
25. You were the one who turned the discussion toward what would happen if this were the GOP.
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 02:25 PM
Oct 2017

So don't complain if Trump is then brought up.

50 Shades Of Blue

(10,004 posts)
29. No - I was pointing out the hypocristy. A Republican keeping money
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 02:28 PM
Oct 2017

from a sexual predator would be trashed here.

kcr

(15,317 posts)
34. If we're talking equivalent scenarios? Only by idiots.
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 02:31 PM
Oct 2017

People generally don't go around demanding that anyone who was ever a candidate go around and dig into their own private funds to pay money to anyone who ever did anything evil and also donated to a campaign at some time in the past. It's beyond unreasonable. This demand by Right Wingers is classic Right Wing talking point idiocy and it's a shame to see it being smeared here on DU.

kcr

(15,317 posts)
38. Democrats should have ESP and not accept any money from anyone who'll become embroiled in a scandal
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 02:34 PM
Oct 2017

in the future! They should be better than mere mortals!

JHan

(10,173 posts)
37. parroting idiotic RW points is way too common..
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 02:33 PM
Oct 2017

it never fails.

It just never does.

Sometimes I think they've got the number on Democrats because it's too damn easy.

kcr

(15,317 posts)
49. I am, too, but this mindset is insidious
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 02:56 PM
Oct 2017

Earlier today I read an article about California Dem progressives' reaction at the announcement by Feinstein that she's running again, and the author wondered if and when she'd return her Weinstein donation.

delisen

(6,044 posts)
28. What if they spent it? Did the taint move
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 02:27 PM
Oct 2017

with the money? In that case vendors who received the money must give it up?

or dos the taint not move with the money...and then campaigns which have already spent the money need to have a legal avenue to raise more money so that it can be returned to the predator guy?

Seems complicated.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
47. Absolutely!
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 02:48 PM
Oct 2017

Let's make all those people Obama and Hillary employed give all that money back, after all, it's tainted money and they don't need it anyway.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
43. What is the precise mechanism you would suggest to return the money
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 02:37 PM
Oct 2017

What is the precise mechanism you would suggest to return the money that has been already been paid out to numerous agencies, think-tanks, local tv stations, etc.?

genxlib

(5,528 posts)
6. It would do nothing
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 02:09 PM
Oct 2017

but help Weinstein at this point anyway. It would be giving him free money from their bank account. That is actually worse than not returning it.

If I was them, I would donate an equivalent amount to a relevant charity with a statement that made it clear why this was done.

This may not seem fair but I believe that the amounts involved would fall well within their charity budget that they give away every year anyway.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
48. Don't waste your time here.
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 02:50 PM
Oct 2017

Bills got paid and employees got paid and even some volunteers got paid with "tainted" monies. But hell, make em give it all back because they probably don't need it to feed their families. (sarcasm)

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
51. What is everyone else doing, you do not have to go first, optics are bad if you go last
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 03:07 PM
Oct 2017

Just do whatever the crowd is doing, and I have no idea what that is

dawg

(10,624 posts)
55. Hillary should point out that she spent those contributions on campaign advertisements with CNN ...
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 03:18 PM
Oct 2017

... and then demand that CNN return that "tainted" money to her so she can donate it to the appropriate charities.

 

hexola

(4,835 posts)
56. ALL DONATIONS should be subject to review and return based on personal behavior
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 03:27 PM
Oct 2017

Right?

Why stop at Wienstein?

If you donated 100 dollars to Hillary - and got a DUI last month - she should return your money.

Donated 10 bucks to Bernie and get caught smoking pot? - Bernie MUST return your donation.

In fact - I call on all DEMOCRAT candidates to perform a FULL legal review of the criminal records of EVERY SINGLE PERSON who donated...we can't have our politicians supported by CRIMINALS...right?

It just makes sense - right?

They should be held accountable for your actions - PERIOD!

Vinca

(50,273 posts)
57. I don't see how this is even a story, but anything in a pinch to blame Democrats.
Tue Oct 10, 2017, 03:34 PM
Oct 2017

You'd think we didn't have a pussy grabber in the White House.

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