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By CARLA MARINUCCI 10/10/2017 05:45 AM EDT
OAKLAND Former presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, in California as part of her 16-city book tour, said Monday that Senators Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren will need "a high pain threshold" if they run for president in 2020 because of the way women candidates are treated.
When asked if she were advising Harris or Warren on a run for president, Clinton said she would counsel that you have to have a high pain threshold, because the double standard is alive and well...this is endemic to our political system, to business, to the media, to every part of society. So dont be afraid to talk about it and take it on.
[J]ust be prepared...to have the most horrible things said about you, Cllinton advised. According to how some websites described her, she explained, Im
the most amazing serial killer you ever met.
Theres a particular level of vitriol, from both the right and the left directed at women, she said. Make no mistake about that. Clinton made the remarks before a friendly audience at the UC Davis Mondavi Center Monday who came to hear her talk about her newly published memoir, What Happened.
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leftofcool
(19,460 posts)whathehell
(29,067 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)are quite capable of handling anything thrown their way, including the sexism that would surely arise.
Hopefully, Hillary will be giving sage advice on all the things that worked, or should have been used, to combat the sexism she experienced in her two presidential runs, should another woman run in 2020.
karynnj
(59,503 posts)It is near impossible to make inference when there is only one data point - and she is the only woman to ever by the nominee of a major party.
It is easy after the fact to speculate on how many people will not vote for a woman, but remember that in the runup to 2016, the argument was that there were likely many women yearning to have a female President who would vote for HRC even if they were moderate Republicans. The Clinton campaign itself built models assuming that and worked hard to gain Republican women. The media, which always uses anecdotal information found examples of each. I know of no study that estimated both affects and compared them.
In addition, those results would conflate the issue of the nominee being a woman and any factors that relate to Hillary Clinton uniquely. (Consider there are people who have had opinions on HRC for decades. This also goes both ways.)
The WORST result of Clinton having run and lost - other than the obvious that Trump is President - would be that it would - based on just that one point - harmed the chances of all women running in the primary.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)I learned last year is that being a woman is a hindrance and she'd have at least half the battle lost just by being a woman.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Crunchy Frog
(26,587 posts)She lacks some of Hillary's liabilities. She hasn't been the subject of a decades long demonization campaign.
I also think that her being from Oklahoma, and a former Republican, could help some voters to be more receptive to her message.
I really hope I didn't just step in something by posting on this subject.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,190 posts)I think this was a factor more than just general misogyny. Whether it was fair or not, many people just hate her. I'm sure that's hard for her to acknowledge but it doesn't mean the hate isn't there. A lot of people hate Nancy Pelosi too. I don't think the hate factor is as strong for Warren. I don't think most people know enough about Harris to form an opinion.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)2016 showed us that we're not ready for a woman as president (I say this as a woman). It breaks my heart but it is the truth.
We need to have a woman as VP first before the glass ceiling will be cracked.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)karynnj
(59,503 posts)that being a woman was a factor that hurt Hillary Clinton. Consider that if there the SD had all the work emails when she left, her numbers would not have had the hit due to that problem, there would have been no investigations, no Comey. While people concentrate on the numbers falling when the Comey letter came out - they also fell in 2015. Remove both - she wins easily.
Then people would be questioning how much it helped her because she was a woman .. and Trump a womanizer.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Hekate
(90,690 posts)Skittles
(153,160 posts)women have always had to be twice as good to be considered half as good
mcar
(42,331 posts)As will those "vagina voters" who support them.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Good advice for Harris and Warren. Both are strong enough; they'll have to be.
I hate what was done to Hillary, and not only by Republicans, and not only by men.
Willie Pep
(841 posts)I hate to say this but liberal women get the "b*tch" label applied to them so often it is nuts. And not just from men but from other women. I have seen it a lot. Conservative women like Margaret Thatcher are characterized as tough iron ladies but liberal women like Hillary Clinton and Elizabeth Warren are "shrill" and "nasty."