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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 08:40 PM Oct 2017

China will 'compel' Saudi Arabia to trade oil in yuan and that's going to affect the US dollar


China will "compel" Saudi Arabia to trade oil in yuan and, when this happens, the rest of the oil market will follow suit and abandon the U.S. dollar as the world's reserve currency, a leading economist told CNBC on Monday.

Carl Weinberg, chief economist and managing director at High Frequency Economics, said Beijing stands to become the most dominant global player in oil demand since China usurped the U.S. as the "biggest oil importer on the planet."

Saudi Arabia has "to pay attention to this because even as much as one or two years from now, Chinese demand will dwarf U.S. demand," Weinberg said.

"I believe that yuan pricing of oil is coming and as soon as the Saudis move to accept it — as the Chinese will compel them to do — then the rest of the oil market will move along with them."

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/11/china-will-compel-saudi-arabia-to-trade-oil-in-yuan--and-thats-going-to-affect-the-us-dollar.html



Heck of a job, Trumpie.
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China will 'compel' Saudi Arabia to trade oil in yuan and that's going to affect the US dollar (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2017 OP
Is this as bad as I think it is? eShirl Oct 2017 #1
It's not good. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2017 #2
If the dollar falls wouldn't that will help with exports? AJT Oct 2017 #10
Moderate inflation, yes. Hyperinflation? No. roamer65 Oct 2017 #15
But if the dollar is worth less, then we don't owe as much. Kaleva Oct 2017 #16
What will happen to T-Bills and Treasury Bonds? pangaia Oct 2017 #26
The world knows we have an idiot in the WH and idiot administration Iliyah Oct 2017 #3
Nice going you fat fuck. smirkymonkey Oct 2017 #4
Shortly there after Saudi Arabia will demand yuiyoshida Oct 2017 #5
We'll see TexasBushwhacker Oct 2017 #6
According to PBS, not true (anymore): ret5hd Oct 2017 #11
The KSA is also taking their national oil company, Saudi Aramco public elehhhhna Oct 2017 #12
America dropping in status. Other countries rising. Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #7
If it happened it would be incredibly bad short term Nevernose Oct 2017 #8
I despise hegemony but if there has to be a hegemon I prefer to be him or her. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2017 #19
Conspiracy!! vrguy Oct 2017 #9
Oil traded in US dollars... Xolodno Oct 2017 #13
Only a Deplorable... DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2017 #21
Well, it certainly isn't a good thing for the country.... Xolodno Oct 2017 #23
The resulting dollar crisis will make the German 1921-1923 hyperinflation look like a picnic. roamer65 Oct 2017 #14
Not a fact. WinkyDink Oct 2017 #17
I quoted the headline verbatim. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2017 #20
Demand is going to sink KSA in the next 20 yrs JCMach1 Oct 2017 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author JonLP24 Oct 2017 #22
Isn't this what got Saddam killed? coolsandy Oct 2017 #24
TPP...coming back to haunt us. coolsandy Oct 2017 #25

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
2. It's not good.
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 08:53 PM
Oct 2017

If the dollar is weak it will cost us more to service our debt because it's worth less. A weak dollar is inflationary because you need more of them to buy the same goods .

Kaleva

(36,301 posts)
16. But if the dollar is worth less, then we don't owe as much.
Fri Oct 13, 2017, 12:11 AM
Oct 2017

If we owe $100 but it drops in value by half, then we essentially owe just $50. On the other hand, if we owe $100 and the dollar doubles in value, we essentially will be paying back $200.00.

I believe this how how Fredrick the Great got Prussia out of financial difficulties. He devalued the money but increased the taxes.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,190 posts)
6. We'll see
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 09:01 PM
Oct 2017

China manipulates the value of the yuan. It may not be as attractive to Saudi Arabia as some may think.

ret5hd

(20,491 posts)
11. According to PBS, not true (anymore):
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 09:16 PM
Oct 2017

Fact check: Does China manipulate its currency?

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/fact-check-china-manipulate-currency/

There’s only one problem – it’s not true anymore. China, the world’s second-biggest economy behind the United States, hasn’t been pushing down its currency to benefit Chinese exporters in years.

Irish_Dem

(47,058 posts)
7. America dropping in status. Other countries rising.
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 09:04 PM
Oct 2017

Not much we can do about this fact.

Leaders who refuse to govern and instead create chaos. We don't take care of our citizens like other modern countries do.

The lack of a secure voting system made us ripe for Putin to subvert our democracy. Trump is a laughing stock, and quite dangerous. And when we get a genius politician like Obama, who is good to his core, the GOP clowns overturn everything he did.

We don't deserve to be in first place anymore.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
8. If it happened it would be incredibly bad short term
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 09:05 PM
Oct 2017

And probably intermediate term.

It would be the beginning of the end of US hegemony and neo-imperialism. Say what you want about the Chinese — some of it’s probably even true — but they haven’t been shooting at everybody they could on six continents for the last hundred years or so, nor have they totally fucked up virtually every country they’ve ever touched politically & economically.

So, for the rest of the world, maybe not so terrible. There are other people’s interests than mine to think of, or ours.

All that having been said: an awful lot of the Chinese economy and individual Chinese wealth is tied to the American dollar. Switching to the yuan might not appeal to the Chinese 1%.

Of course, there’s an opposite to THAT, too. Xi & company have really been promoting the Marxist line lately, trying to remind people of where they came from. If the next elected leader is more Marxist (not likeliy, IMO, but if the many mainstream Party members voted with the mainland Kuomintang, who are the total opposite of the Taiwanese version, I could see it happening) then a switch to the yuan is good for everybody and damn the Imperialist Running Dogs.

Xolodno

(6,395 posts)
13. Oil traded in US dollars...
Thu Oct 12, 2017, 11:44 PM
Oct 2017

...brings some economic control to the US. We limit our dollars and the value spikes simply because nations need them to buy oil. Or increase supply a bit and it devalues when nations need to sell the currency...making American exports more attractive. With just the slightest manipulation, the country "profits". Can also manipulate foreign policy, need oil? Well you need dollars and we don't think your currency is worth as much....unless you...

Richer nations keep dollars in excess for their reserves, poorer nations are a bit screwed. Plus, the dollar is used as a universal currency, which means we also have more influence on the international banking system.

Losing the status of an "international currency" means we have less influence on international financial transactions and using it to our "advantage". Russia already bypasses the US Dollar and Iran has been trading in Euro's for awhile now...only a matter of time in my opinion, they request the same of Saudi Arabia. China demanding trade in Yuan is just the next domino to fall.

That's what these "merika" first idiots don't understand....we are putting the US first via the international stage. Taking the US off of it means we have less influence and more nations will be less willing to do trade pacts that can often give us an edge. For example, taking us out of UNESCO now means we have absolutely "no say" in its operation....while other nations, such as China, India, Russia & Brazil have more influence and will commit to treaties, operations, etc. that are more in opposition to US interests.

We're basically fucking ourselves without the grease.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
21. Only a Deplorable...
Fri Oct 13, 2017, 08:21 AM
Oct 2017

Only a Deplorable would think having the dollar lose the status of "international currency" is a good thing.

Xolodno

(6,395 posts)
23. Well, it certainly isn't a good thing for the country....
Sat Oct 14, 2017, 12:24 AM
Oct 2017

...but Keynes advocated Bancor as an international currency. To avoid what the US currency became and to avoid currency battles, the eventual result once a nations "international" currency goes to hell, etc.

The problem with deplorable's, they think we can be assholes to the world and still maintain our status and stature. They really have no fucking clue. They act like the world is still rebuilding from WW2 or some other issue. Had someone quip to me how Europe is failing and bankrupt due to its socialist policies...and I'm thinking "since when?". Realized I wasn't going to convince someone who thinks the moon landing was faked but at the same time thinks technology has advanced so far that the government has enough ability to control the weather via chem trails and so on. So I didn't bother.

But, I was wondering where he got that lame brained wild idea. Then it occurred to me, the problem of Greece and rumors of other nations possibly being a bit close to the wire. So despite, the EU and hell Scandinavian countries...the most socialist of all, being in good hands except for a couple of bad actors who still leaned towards less taxation...he thought the whole thing was shot. Cognitive bias and general distrust...I can't fix that.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
14. The resulting dollar crisis will make the German 1921-1923 hyperinflation look like a picnic.
Fri Oct 13, 2017, 12:00 AM
Oct 2017

Our standard of living will be wiped out in a matter of days or weeks.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
20. I quoted the headline verbatim.
Fri Oct 13, 2017, 08:19 AM
Oct 2017

I see posters here manipulate headline. I sometimes do it but I prefer to let a person's work product stand as is

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