especially coming from NPR...I know they're not the liberal bastion they once were, but I'd hate to see them go full Wingnut.

I recall quite clearly Cokie Roberts explaining in early 1992 how there was no way on god's green earth that Bill Clinton would become the Democratic nominee that year. I realized then that the establishment NPR was no longer liberal. It was at best middle of the road, and has long since moved to the right.

One problem is that the right has moved so incredibly far, that basic right positions seem scarily liberal any more.

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but apart from being disinclined to assess the political bent of a media outlet on the basis of one interview, I think my gauge of liberalism may differ from yours; Jerry Brown was the "liberal" democrat running that year, not Bill Clinton.

It was not an interview at all. It was Cokie Roberts essentially saying that Bill Clinton hadn't any chance of winning the nomination.

I am honestly not recalling Jerry Brown as being in that race that year. Without going online to research, which wouldn't be fair, I can no longer recall who else was running that year. I do recall that at the beginning of the primary season Clinton lost some crucial primaries, and then got the label "The Comeback Kid" when he won big in some other primaries.

But it was starting around then I began to pull away from NPR. I do still listen to it, especially the local NPR station wherever I might be living. But I tend to stick to things like Terry Gross's Fresh Air, and Wait, Wait Don't Tell Me. I almost never listen to Morning Edition or All Things Considered.

These days I wake up to Amy Goodman at 6am, and my local community radio station has BBC on before here and at other times during the day. I really like the BBC. Probably what I like best about them is that when they are are interviewing someone, they won't let them get away with not answering the question. Quite unlike every single American news company.

but Jerry Brown did, in fact, run against Bill.Clinton in the primaries. Have a good one.

to Clinton's candidacy. No one was.

In 1991, after the first Gulf War, George HW Bush looked so invincible that better known, more likely candidates simply didn't run. Clinton got off to a bit of a rocky start, but in the end he overwhelmed everyone else.

I'm rather surprised that I honestly can't recall Brown in the race at all, and I see he actually hung on to the convention that year.

back atcha!

I frankly think Brown would have been a better president, but that's all history now.

Just curious..Are you overseas?

He garnered all of 20% of the vote and 596 delegates to the convention. He may well have been a better president, but alas, we'll never know.

No, I'm not overseas.

Bill Clinton had the backing off the DLC, not Brown.

I read your post wrong.

As did Paul Tsongas, Tom Harkin (who won Iowa giving him an early lead) and Bob Kerrey.

The idea Bill Clinton wasn’t going to win the nomination was hardly earth shattering analysis from any pundit right or left. Going into New Hampshire with the Gennifer Flowers thing over his head, not many people IN the party gave him a chance. It’s why Brown stayed to the bitter end because he claimed Bill was unelectable with all the scandals.

listening to them try to parse trumps idiotic spew in solemn tones during '15 and '16 was funny in a sad kinda way

I have not read the article (won't load). There is a reason there is a replication crisis.