We can protest now but it won't matter if we don't protest at the polls in 2018 and 2020.

We need to take healthcare into our own hands, teach ourselves and teach others.

http://tpalladium.freeforums.net/board/20/preventive-medicine

Life doesn't stop until election day.

http://www.aeinstein.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/FDTD.pdf

The electoral college voted on the basis of the majority vote in each state, as they are expected to do. I have no idea if any of those individuals are white supremacists or not, but it wouldn’t affect their vote.

The electoral college itself is an undemocratic approach to electing presidents, and perhaps one day (if Democrats regain a majority in Congress and the states) we can change it. Until then, let’s assure that people know exactly what we’re dealing with. The individuals casting votes in the electoral college have essentially no opportunity to exercise their own opinions. They are bound to vote as their states voted.

It would take a Constitutional amendment.

If enough states agreed their electoral slate would go to who won the national popular vote, it would be effectively legislated away.

vote as they wish?

or pushed to gain their seat by the Russian and the overtake of our election process

because if the jumping penguins GIF

In fact, I find it uncomfortable looking at everybody's animated GIFS....
Drives me nuts...

are running the show.. with all the support they need from republicans and the lunatic.

of millions of people's health. The GOP is totally evil.

of a president is hoping the people will blame the Democrats for this - or at the very least the republicans in congress. He wants his hands kept clean and I don't see ANYBODY in the press asking where his big, beautiful plan that covers everybody, leaves Medicare and Medicaid alone and costs a fraction of what we're paying now - that's what he promised his imbecile supporters. The press is being useless in holding him accountable.

Every person on the panel is trashing him. It's really brutal (and deservedly so)
Rand Paul is coming on soon. It will be interesting to see how the interview goes with that p.o.s.

for the promise HE made (nothing to do with congress - HE said HE had a plan)?

there are subsidies for individuals and subsidies for insurance companies.

he's only stopping the subsidies for insurance companies.

sounds like your sister is talking about the subsidies for individuals.


their idea is not to immediately screw people on obamacare, it's to send obamacare into a slow death spiral.
she'll continue to get her individual subsidies, but with these changes donnie's hope is that the markets spiral out of control and insurance companies either raise premiums a lot for those who really need it or pull out altogether.

those subsidies are one and the same, it only depends how one decides to talk about them.
That subsidy that that goes to the poster's sister really goes to the insurer. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Nothing individuals receive was directly impacted by the EO (even if it survives a court challenge)

Premium subsidies and cost sharing are individual subsidies that Trump clearly cannot touch by EO. They continue - so if your premium was subsidised before, it still will be. If you had cost sharing so that you had lower out of pocket expenses than the formal terms of the policy, those will continue. The insurance company is still mandated by law to reduce your cost sharing.

Indirectly, if the EO survives, premiums may go up. The insurance company may not get the subsidies it gets from the government in order to make up some of the cost sharing subsidies it is required by law to give you. It will pass the cost of lost subsidies along to everyone in the form of an across the board premium increase. The subsidies the idiot cut ONLY pertain to the cost sharing (lower deductibles, out of pocket caps, coinsurance for lower income people, not the premium subsidies. So this move may result in a premium increase for everyone, but not as high as people might imagine because it is only the cost-sharing portion of the overall subsidies. And NOT a direct cut to any subsidies or cost sharing lower income people receive- the cuts will hurt the pocketbooks of unsubsidized individuals more, because the individual subsidies cap both premium expenses and out-of-pocket expenses for lower inccome individuals - and the orange menace cannot touch those. Whether he can touch the insurance company subsidies is an open question.

If he breaks one leg of it and it doesn't go down, he'll break the other. There is no sense of care in this.

Obamacare didn't implode as he continuously repeated that it would, so he decided to unilaterally take a sledgehammer to it.

but the manner in which he is permitted to use his sledgehammer has dramatically different impacts than a repeal of the ACA.

He CANNOT, by executive order, remove the premim subsides or the cost sharing. Those are required by law to continue. That measn that anyone receiving premium subsidies and cost sharing still gets those.

What he claims to be able to do (and there are lawsuits challenging this) is to stop the subsidies that repay the insurance, in part, for complying with the law.

If he is successful, those who buy insurance on the marketplace without subsidies are the ones who will be hit - NOT the ones who are eligible for subsidies. The premiums go up for everyone (subsidized or not) to cover the shortfall in payments from the government. The subsidies (both for premium and cost sharing) ALSO go up - keeping the most vulnerable group from harm. That means the increase in premiums will be paid largely by individuals making too much money to be eligible for subsidies.

That doesn't mean he isn't intentionally trying to destroy it. He is. But taking an act that indirectly increases the premiums on those better off is NOT the same as taking the subsidies from those who most need it.

Places like West Virginia and Kentucky and the rural belt will feel this the hardest and they still get on their knees to blow him......they are about to get a massive boot up the ass.

But I'll be DAMNED if I shed a tear for anyone who voted for him. Trump is hardening me, I am sick to death of those white rural pieces of shit, and I'm from white, rural shit-ville Kentucky.

I feel so bad. We have had subsidies for three years now.
AND Blue Cross has paid over $500,000 in cancer treatments for my husband.
He goes on Medicare in November.

So, our premiums will go up, but we will manage. No way we could have paid $1000.00 a month for Blue Cross (and it was a bronze plan at that!!)

ETA: just read unblock's post above. I still don't get it. If the insurance people don't get their money then they will have to raise premiums and the subsidy won't cover it.... I don't think. Maybe it will. When our premiums went up, the subsidy went up too.

I guess Trump is trying to make the insurance companies pull out of the system.

The individual subsidies and cost sharing continue, by law.

The insurance companies get help to make up the cost of the cost sharing (lower deductibles, lower out of pocket expenses other than premiums) from the government. They are still required to honor the cost sharing. They just lose the $$ from the government that makes it cost less to provide the reduced cost sharing.

Ultimately this will result in an overall increase in premium, which will largely hit the unsubsidized consumer because the costs to the subsidized consumer are capped.

That is something that would be unquestionably impossible for him to do by EO.

The subsidies Trump purported to eliminate are to insurance companies - and may ultimately result in across the board premium increases (because insurance companies will no longer receive help in making the cost-sharing reductions (deductibles, coinsurance, and lower out-of-pocket caps) that they are STILL required by law to make)

..anti rejection drugs are $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

If someone I know who voted for Trump calls me today---well, I just won't answer because I can't be civil or nice.

I...just...can't.

and thus the entire health care system...
Medicaid, Medicare,,,
then---

Social Security..

price of water....

She is a brittle diabetic who relies on this.