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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
Fri Oct 13, 2017, 08:54 AM Oct 2017

Half way through Ken Burns' Vietnam series

First let me thank my fellow members of DU who served.


I am not particularly good at writing book or movie reviews since I haven't done one in nearly thirty years so I will just share with you the highlights or what I believe to be the highlights:

- Senator Fritz Hollings went to Vietnam to meet with General Westmoreland and Westmoreland told him we were killing ten Vietnamese for every American. Hollings said "Westy, Americans don't care about the ten. they care about the one."

-The soldier who said he grew up in a homogeneous community and never met an African American, a Jew. or an Hispanic and when he got to Vietnam and served with them he saw we are all pretty much the same. It reminds me of when Malcom X went to Mecca and observed that under the stars we all snore in the same language.

-The Vietnamese were brutal and their treatment of prisoners was deplorable, I would be beyond pissed if someone invaded my homeland but that's not a justification for torture.

- A soldier whose mom tells him he's not going to die because he's special. He tells his mom every mother thinks their son is special.

- Robert McNamara and his metrics. War isn't about metrics. It's about holding and capturing ground. McNamara's obsession with metrics reminds me of the quote that "Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad."

- I can't get a handle on Westmoreland. Was he lying on the progress of the war or did he believe his own lies ? I made my bones in sales. I was in ad sales so I didn't have to wrestle with my conscience about selling things to people they neither needed or could afford but I was able to convince myself whatever I was selling was good for whomever bought it. Still, I wasn't responsible for people's lives.

- Westy knew ? He told LBJ he needed 200,000 more men in 1966 and that would give him a 1 in 3 chance of winning. Those odds suck .

- The footage of John McCain, freaking wow. How Chump, he of several draft deferments because of a bone spur, could disrepect his service by saying " I like people who don't get caught" and become POTUS. F the people who voted for him.

-LBJ blaming opposition to the war on Communists. Not a good look. Trumpian !

On to the second half

PEACE

-DSB

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Half way through Ken Burns' Vietnam series (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2017 OP
We're on episode 8 mcar Oct 2017 #1
Finished 9 last night. You'll be beyond pissed.... Lochloosa Oct 2017 #11
Even though I'm not a huge fan of McCain, that footage... Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2017 #2
He got a beating after that interview. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2017 #3
I watched all of it and was captivated. BigmanPigman Oct 2017 #4
Mogi's mom made me tear up. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2017 #5
I watched the whole series also. I was drafted in '68. walkingman Oct 2017 #6
+1000 nt Javaman Oct 2017 #9
Thank you. Lochloosa Oct 2017 #12
I have it on my dvr, but have not watched it yet. redstatebluegirl Oct 2017 #7
I used to live in Orlando. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2017 #8
I went to a small high school. Our town had a memorial with names. redstatebluegirl Oct 2017 #10
I think it does a great job of explaining how a whole generation of people came to distrust OregonBlue Oct 2017 #13

mcar

(42,331 posts)
1. We're on episode 8
Fri Oct 13, 2017, 08:59 AM
Oct 2017

I feel like we are reliving history. Same sh!t, different decade. We stayed in the war just so the men in charge egos wouldn't get hurt. So many young men died, so many Vietnamese.

It is excellently done but very frustrating.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
2. Even though I'm not a huge fan of McCain, that footage...
Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:00 AM
Oct 2017

...was some of the most disturbing parts of the documentary to me, along with the Mai Lai and Kent State segments.

Probably because despite the fact he was 50 years younger, the voice is unmistakable and it's just bothersome to see someone--anyone--so familiar to you in that sort of vulnerable situation.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
5. Mogi's mom made me tear up.
Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:15 AM
Oct 2017

The soldier who was crying in the hospital and the nurse saying it would adversely affect the other soldiers and one of his fellow soldiers saying he earned the right to do what he wants made me tear up too.

walkingman

(7,616 posts)
6. I watched the whole series also. I was drafted in '68.
Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:25 AM
Oct 2017

My cynicism of government (regardless of party) was confirmed by the series. We are a war mongering nation and it really doesn't matter to most Americans why, where, when. If you would really like to "support the troops" stop voting for politicians who continue these meaningless wars. Just think of what our world would be like without so much violence, hate, and greed. Be the change you want.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
7. I have it on my dvr, but have not watched it yet.
Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:46 AM
Oct 2017

I lost 4 high school friends at the very end of the war and my brother did two tours as a Navy pilot. I may watch it over the weekend. I am sure it is well done. Peace.....

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
8. I used to live in Orlando.
Fri Oct 13, 2017, 09:51 AM
Oct 2017

I once went to Pine Hills High School on some business. They had their own Vietnam memorial. There were more names on it than I would have expected.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
10. I went to a small high school. Our town had a memorial with names.
Fri Oct 13, 2017, 10:07 AM
Oct 2017

A town of 2500 people had a memorial with over 20 names on it. So much waste!

OregonBlue

(7,754 posts)
13. I think it does a great job of explaining how a whole generation of people came to distrust
Fri Oct 13, 2017, 01:04 PM
Oct 2017

their government. It also united people of many colors with young people and students across the country and that was probably the best thing that came out of Viet Nam. It all started happening at once. The anti-war movement, the civil rights (Black Panther) movement, the Women's movement, etc. The government truly didn't know what to do. Their lies weren't working any more and people no longer trusted them.

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