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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHalf way through Ken Burns' Vietnam series
First let me thank my fellow members of DU who served.
I am not particularly good at writing book or movie reviews since I haven't done one in nearly thirty years so I will just share with you the highlights or what I believe to be the highlights:
- Senator Fritz Hollings went to Vietnam to meet with General Westmoreland and Westmoreland told him we were killing ten Vietnamese for every American. Hollings said "Westy, Americans don't care about the ten. they care about the one."
-The soldier who said he grew up in a homogeneous community and never met an African American, a Jew. or an Hispanic and when he got to Vietnam and served with them he saw we are all pretty much the same. It reminds me of when Malcom X went to Mecca and observed that under the stars we all snore in the same language.
-The Vietnamese were brutal and their treatment of prisoners was deplorable, I would be beyond pissed if someone invaded my homeland but that's not a justification for torture.
- A soldier whose mom tells him he's not going to die because he's special. He tells his mom every mother thinks their son is special.
- Robert McNamara and his metrics. War isn't about metrics. It's about holding and capturing ground. McNamara's obsession with metrics reminds me of the quote that "Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad."
- I can't get a handle on Westmoreland. Was he lying on the progress of the war or did he believe his own lies ? I made my bones in sales. I was in ad sales so I didn't have to wrestle with my conscience about selling things to people they neither needed or could afford but I was able to convince myself whatever I was selling was good for whomever bought it. Still, I wasn't responsible for people's lives.
- Westy knew ? He told LBJ he needed 200,000 more men in 1966 and that would give him a 1 in 3 chance of winning. Those odds suck .
- The footage of John McCain, freaking wow. How Chump, he of several draft deferments because of a bone spur, could disrepect his service by saying " I like people who don't get caught" and become POTUS. F the people who voted for him.
-LBJ blaming opposition to the war on Communists. Not a good look. Trumpian !
On to the second half
PEACE
-DSB
mcar
(42,331 posts)I feel like we are reliving history. Same sh!t, different decade. We stayed in the war just so the men in charge egos wouldn't get hurt. So many young men died, so many Vietnamese.
It is excellently done but very frustrating.
Lochloosa
(16,064 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(43,182 posts)...was some of the most disturbing parts of the documentary to me, along with the Mai Lai and Kent State segments.
Probably because despite the fact he was 50 years younger, the voice is unmistakable and it's just bothersome to see someone--anyone--so familiar to you in that sort of vulnerable situation.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Not a Jeremiah Denton fan but his blinking 'TORTURE" was something.
BigmanPigman
(51,592 posts)The last episode made me cry...be prepared.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)The soldier who was crying in the hospital and the nurse saying it would adversely affect the other soldiers and one of his fellow soldiers saying he earned the right to do what he wants made me tear up too.
walkingman
(7,616 posts)My cynicism of government (regardless of party) was confirmed by the series. We are a war mongering nation and it really doesn't matter to most Americans why, where, when. If you would really like to "support the troops" stop voting for politicians who continue these meaningless wars. Just think of what our world would be like without so much violence, hate, and greed. Be the change you want.
Javaman
(62,530 posts)Lochloosa
(16,064 posts)redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)I lost 4 high school friends at the very end of the war and my brother did two tours as a Navy pilot. I may watch it over the weekend. I am sure it is well done. Peace.....
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I once went to Pine Hills High School on some business. They had their own Vietnam memorial. There were more names on it than I would have expected.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)A town of 2500 people had a memorial with over 20 names on it. So much waste!
OregonBlue
(7,754 posts)their government. It also united people of many colors with young people and students across the country and that was probably the best thing that came out of Viet Nam. It all started happening at once. The anti-war movement, the civil rights (Black Panther) movement, the Women's movement, etc. The government truly didn't know what to do. Their lies weren't working any more and people no longer trusted them.