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BigmanPigman

(51,593 posts)
Fri Oct 13, 2017, 03:51 PM Oct 2017

Do you think that the Dems in Congress should work with the GOP

and try to fix healthcare, or should they push for single payer, or should they choose to not work on healthcare at all and let it eventually fail under the new tRump Hellcare Plan?

Keep in mind that many people will go bankrupt and die and that includes those who voted for Hillary.

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Phoenix61

(17,006 posts)
2. The only thing they should work with
Fri Oct 13, 2017, 04:01 PM
Oct 2017

the GOP on is impeachment or Article 25. On everything else they need to push the dem platform as hard as they can.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
7. Yup. The Reputins can only be trusted if their own nuclear annihilation is at stake.
Fri Oct 13, 2017, 04:06 PM
Oct 2017

Same relationship we had with the Soviets. We were able to deal with the Russians on arms reduction because neither party had any other realistic option.

Now the GOP is a branch of the Russian government, and the terms of dealing with them are therefore the same. Deal with them on nuclear matters for near-term physical survival.

On all other matters, crush them first. Then pick up the pieces.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
3. Yes they should work with the Pub's as long as it's to fix Obama care. All the Pub plans
Fri Oct 13, 2017, 04:02 PM
Oct 2017

proposed would severely harm thousands of people and that disqualifies them completely. Per their own "fearless leader", the demand is for BETTER COVERAGE, LOWER COSTS, and COVER EVERYONE!

The Pubs haven't proposed any plan that was in line with their president's requirements.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
4. They should absolutely work with GOP on ANYTHING---
Fri Oct 13, 2017, 04:05 PM
Oct 2017

---just as soon as they impeach Trump AND Pence. Ryan can be caretaker until 2020.!

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
6. As far as I can tell the Dems have been excluded from giving their input
Fri Oct 13, 2017, 04:05 PM
Oct 2017

on any of this Congress's drafting of legislation. The legislation come from behind closed doors to be voted on with no attempt at bipartisanship from the Repug's.

From day one Trump has spoken like the Dems are the enemy and even says the word like they are dispicable and not true Americans and thus not worthy of his thoughts

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
8. When the Republicans are willing to be reasonable and negotiate in good faith, yes
Fri Oct 13, 2017, 04:07 PM
Oct 2017

But first, let's see them crawl on their hands and knees over 100 yard of shattered glass and have a nice rubbing alcohol rinse afterwards.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
9. Take them out to the USNS Comfort
Fri Oct 13, 2017, 04:12 PM
Oct 2017

Keel haul them. Then they can have a rubbing alcohol rinse.

Any survivors can be allowed to watch as Dems fix ACA, but they must sit in the balcony with duct tape over their mouths. They are allowed to have opera glasses, though.

spanone

(135,833 posts)
10. we should go out of our way to be equally as cooperative as they were during Obama's Presidency
Fri Oct 13, 2017, 04:13 PM
Oct 2017

...and give them the same level of honesty that trump gave 'Chuck & Nancy' when they recently met.

seems fair

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
11. Nancy and Chuck gave the an out on the debt ceiling and Hurricane relief.
Fri Oct 13, 2017, 04:19 PM
Oct 2017

What did the GOP do in return? They made another attempt to repeal Obamacare.

Democrats should not give on inch to these literal Nazis.

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
12. If it's to fix Obamacare and make sure that CSRs are paid, yes.
Fri Oct 13, 2017, 04:25 PM
Oct 2017

Too many Democratic voters are at stake under these changes.

ck4829

(35,077 posts)
13. I'm one of those people who might just "go bankrupt and die" and who voted for Hillary
Fri Oct 13, 2017, 04:27 PM
Oct 2017

I'm not well-off, not by any means, something can happen to me at any time and boom I have no safety net and the worst happens.

But I also realize this is war... the "alt-right", the Republicans, the christian Right, Trump, Putinists, etc. are either going to drive liberals and the 'other' (Which includes the already-poor and just one crippling illness away from ruin like me) out of existence or they are going to legislate us out of existence with their idea of compromise, or we are going to fight back, we can only have one of these things in the end.

BigmanPigman

(51,593 posts)
14. Me too, but I AM going to be bankrupt and die
Fri Oct 13, 2017, 04:34 PM
Oct 2017

and experience severe, ongoing pain which can only be reduced temporarily through surgeries for the rest of my short life. I was finally diagnosed last Sept. I do want to live long enough to watch 45 and the GOP go down in flames. I hope I can last that long. If not then that is the silver lining...I won't have to suffer watching him destroy what is left of my country.

maxrandb

(15,330 posts)
15. Obstructing Obama did sooooooo much damage to the Retrumplicans
Fri Oct 13, 2017, 05:08 PM
Oct 2017

Didn't it?

Maybe we should try standing up and fighting like Fucking hell.

If we did that we might actually inspire voters and win some elections.

You never make a deal with the devil. This Retrumplican party is the devil's wetdream

BigmanPigman

(51,593 posts)
16. That is what Bill Maher was pissed off about a few weeks ago.
Fri Oct 13, 2017, 05:25 PM
Oct 2017

Dems "go high" is BS that doesn't work. It is time to beat them at their own game. If they win by playing dirty for 30 years that is long enough for us to learn our lesson.

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