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kentuck

(111,095 posts)
Fri Oct 13, 2017, 06:55 PM Oct 2017

Trump has effectively killed "Obamacare", the ACA.

With his signing of his executive order to stop paying any subsidies to the insurance companies, he has, in effect, kicked a lot of poor people off insurance coverage. In exchange, he is presenting his "plan" to offer low-cost, little coverage, cheap insurance for those that feel they don't need very much.

We can now officially stop calling it "Obamacare". It is now "Trumpcare". The insurance companies have to make their money someway. If they cannot get their subsidies from the government, then they will raise the costs of their product to make up the difference. That's the way the free market works.

Rep. Nancy Pelosi has hinted that the Democrats may present legislation to cover those that will be kicked off by the new "Trumpcare". That is still to be seen.

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Trump has effectively killed "Obamacare", the ACA. (Original Post) kentuck Oct 2017 OP
It should be called Trumpcare from now on - he owns it. dalton99a Oct 2017 #1
GOPcare as the entire Republican party owns it. nt cstanleytech Oct 2017 #6
And he has killed tens of thousands of Americans. Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #2
He has, if his executive order is implemented gratuitous Oct 2017 #3
I hope that is the case... kentuck Oct 2017 #4
ACA was badly damaged when Trump was elected. However, his recent executive order does not remove Hoyt Oct 2017 #5
That is enough Dotarded Oct 2017 #8
Basically agree, but I think ACA ended when Trump created uncertainty of future funding. Hoyt Oct 2017 #10
How could this landmark piece of newblewtoo Oct 2017 #7
lawsuits will prevail.... spanone Oct 2017 #9
no Dotarded Oct 2017 #11
we'll see won't we spanone Oct 2017 #12
Sure Dotarded Oct 2017 #14
Ah well.... Kingofalldems Oct 2017 #16
I was just about to sympathize then I remembered you were the one who thought Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #17
So what's your point? I didn't quite understand what you're trying to say. catbyte Oct 2017 #13
I would pray for the AGs who are suing to get it done quickly BigmanPigman Oct 2017 #15

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
2. And he has killed tens of thousands of Americans.
Fri Oct 13, 2017, 06:56 PM
Oct 2017

Millions more will be homeless.

And 50 million trump supporters are cheering his mass murdering.

Until they are one of the victims, that is. At which point, and you wont believe this because it is mindbogglingly insane, they will blame YOU..not trump, not the GOP, but you and me and Obama and Hillary.

yep. Therefore this is no way out of this, not possible.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
3. He has, if his executive order is implemented
Fri Oct 13, 2017, 06:59 PM
Oct 2017

There are a few state attorneys general lining up to challenge the order because an executive order can't overturn duly-enacted legislation. Look for the injunction preventing the implementation, followed by a legal battle about executive authority versus legislative action.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
5. ACA was badly damaged when Trump was elected. However, his recent executive order does not remove
Fri Oct 13, 2017, 07:12 PM
Oct 2017

premium subsidies. It only removes subsidies paid to insurance companies to fund help for meeting deductibles and co-insurance. That is bad, but is not as bad as removing premium subsidies.



"The decision will most directly affect middle-class families who buy their own insurance without financial help from the government. Consumers who earn more than 400 percent of the federal poverty level — an individual with income of about $48,000 or a family of four that makes more than $98,400 — will likely see their costs for coverage rise next year by an average of about 20 percent nationwide.

"People with lower incomes will be unaffected since the ACA, also known as Obamacare, provides government subsidies — in the form of tax credits — that ensure their out-of-pocket insurance costs remain stable. So when premiums rise, those tax credits rise in tandem.

""We now know what Trumpcare looks like, and it's pretty ugly," said Ezekiel Emanuel, an oncologist who chairs the Department of Medical Ethics and Health Policy at the University of Pennsylvania. "The people who are particularly going to hurt are the people who don't get any [premium] subsidies. They just have to buy their own insurance," Emanuel, one of the architects of the ACA, told Morning Edition on Friday.

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/10/13/557541856/halt-in-subsidies-for-health-insurers-expected-to-drive-up-costs-for-middle-clas

https://www.kff.org/health-reform/issue-brief/explaining-health-care-reform-questions-about-health/


Trump's action sucks and will likely get worse, but people should look carefully at their situation before feeling totally doomed. Some will not be worse off, and some will face premium increases that might be absorbable in the short-run while attempts are made to stuff this down Trump's throat.

If people don't vote for Democratic candidates in 2018 -- just one year away -- then we are all doomed because of ignorance and hatred.

 

Dotarded

(23 posts)
8. That is enough
Fri Oct 13, 2017, 07:33 PM
Oct 2017

Due to complete inaction from our lovely Congress for years and our new active Orange Dictator the ACA is now at the end of its life cycle. Sure its still alive. But its about to be brain dead awaiting the pulling of the plug.

It is at its end

What could have been all those years ago ends in my dying because of politics

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
10. Basically agree, but I think ACA ended when Trump created uncertainty of future funding.
Fri Oct 13, 2017, 07:36 PM
Oct 2017

This just makes it clear this program (and others) are dead UNLESS Democrats win big one year from now.

newblewtoo

(667 posts)
7. How could this landmark piece of
Fri Oct 13, 2017, 07:26 PM
Oct 2017

legislation be so poorly written that it could be destroyed by the single stroke of a mad man's pen? How???

This simply cannot be. It as if it were written on sand that a wave could wash all away.

This simply cannot be so. It simply cannot be so.

 

Dotarded

(23 posts)
11. no
Fri Oct 13, 2017, 07:40 PM
Oct 2017

They will not

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives_v._Price

And this idea needs to be stomped out on this site immediately. Its a horrible look.

It is also not the only subsidy to lose in court. Executive orders can be overturned and leaving it to that chance was obvious to us all for years and when Hillary lost everyone forgot their high and mighty we will never lose bullshit did this.

How is that for some fucking facts.

Democrats that rely on court action are simply fooling themselves and killing me and my family and that is shameful. But maybe it is willful ignorance of what is actually going on.

I expect your super true retorts to this.

 

Dotarded

(23 posts)
14. Sure
Fri Oct 13, 2017, 07:50 PM
Oct 2017

Those lucky enough to be alive years from now will know all about and that does not mean they win

Meanwhile we have attorney generals from New York and California getting on this already tried federal case for points.

Im pretty sure no one here knows what its like to have no insurance or not afford it. I see lots of thoughts and prayers for us silly poor state democrats. You just file some court cases that will never win and its all solved. Duh. Court cases!!!

Look. This board is all wrong. You are trying to to get judicial branch (that cant appropriate funds) to rule against the executive branch (that cant appropriate funds) to get funds appropriated. Im going nuts.



Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
17. I was just about to sympathize then I remembered you were the one who thought
Mon Oct 16, 2017, 01:29 PM
Oct 2017

Fallon should continue to ignore the mass murderer in the WH.

Wasnt that you?

You see for me I think everybody should be talking about this, E V E R Y B O D Y

Because yes, last year's behavour by voters and the russians and so on has now guaranteed our courts will very soon be controlled by the worst, ugliest, meanest, democracy hating piles of human shit imaginable.

And every single american BETTER be talking about it.

BigmanPigman

(51,593 posts)
15. I would pray for the AGs who are suing to get it done quickly
Fri Oct 13, 2017, 07:52 PM
Oct 2017

but I am an Atheist and a realistic and I know it is not likely. My fate has been sealed since Nov 8th. I just wish I wouldn't have to suffer through so much pain until I die. There isn't enough morphine on the planet to help so I need a series of expensive surgeries and I will be bankrupt and bankrupt my 83 year old parents too (3/4 of my pancreas is scar tissue and only gets worse).

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