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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrump has effectively killed "Obamacare", the ACA.
With his signing of his executive order to stop paying any subsidies to the insurance companies, he has, in effect, kicked a lot of poor people off insurance coverage. In exchange, he is presenting his "plan" to offer low-cost, little coverage, cheap insurance for those that feel they don't need very much.
We can now officially stop calling it "Obamacare". It is now "Trumpcare". The insurance companies have to make their money someway. If they cannot get their subsidies from the government, then they will raise the costs of their product to make up the difference. That's the way the free market works.
Rep. Nancy Pelosi has hinted that the Democrats may present legislation to cover those that will be kicked off by the new "Trumpcare". That is still to be seen.
dalton99a
(81,488 posts)cstanleytech
(26,291 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)Millions more will be homeless.
And 50 million trump supporters are cheering his mass murdering.
Until they are one of the victims, that is. At which point, and you wont believe this because it is mindbogglingly insane, they will blame YOU..not trump, not the GOP, but you and me and Obama and Hillary.
yep. Therefore this is no way out of this, not possible.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)There are a few state attorneys general lining up to challenge the order because an executive order can't overturn duly-enacted legislation. Look for the injunction preventing the implementation, followed by a legal battle about executive authority versus legislative action.
kentuck
(111,095 posts)I would like to see those "fake" judges rule against him.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)premium subsidies. It only removes subsidies paid to insurance companies to fund help for meeting deductibles and co-insurance. That is bad, but is not as bad as removing premium subsidies.
"The decision will most directly affect middle-class families who buy their own insurance without financial help from the government. Consumers who earn more than 400 percent of the federal poverty level an individual with income of about $48,000 or a family of four that makes more than $98,400 will likely see their costs for coverage rise next year by an average of about 20 percent nationwide.
"People with lower incomes will be unaffected since the ACA, also known as Obamacare, provides government subsidies in the form of tax credits that ensure their out-of-pocket insurance costs remain stable. So when premiums rise, those tax credits rise in tandem.
""We now know what Trumpcare looks like, and it's pretty ugly," said Ezekiel Emanuel, an oncologist who chairs the Department of Medical Ethics and Health Policy at the University of Pennsylvania. "The people who are particularly going to hurt are the people who don't get any [premium] subsidies. They just have to buy their own insurance," Emanuel, one of the architects of the ACA, told Morning Edition on Friday.
http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/10/13/557541856/halt-in-subsidies-for-health-insurers-expected-to-drive-up-costs-for-middle-clas
https://www.kff.org/health-reform/issue-brief/explaining-health-care-reform-questions-about-health/
Trump's action sucks and will likely get worse, but people should look carefully at their situation before feeling totally doomed. Some will not be worse off, and some will face premium increases that might be absorbable in the short-run while attempts are made to stuff this down Trump's throat.
If people don't vote for Democratic candidates in 2018 -- just one year away -- then we are all doomed because of ignorance and hatred.
Due to complete inaction from our lovely Congress for years and our new active Orange Dictator the ACA is now at the end of its life cycle. Sure its still alive. But its about to be brain dead awaiting the pulling of the plug.
It is at its end
What could have been all those years ago ends in my dying because of politics
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)This just makes it clear this program (and others) are dead UNLESS Democrats win big one year from now.
newblewtoo
(667 posts)legislation be so poorly written that it could be destroyed by the single stroke of a mad man's pen? How???
This simply cannot be. It as if it were written on sand that a wave could wash all away.
This simply cannot be so. It simply cannot be so.
spanone
(135,832 posts)They will not
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives_v._Price
And this idea needs to be stomped out on this site immediately. Its a horrible look.
It is also not the only subsidy to lose in court. Executive orders can be overturned and leaving it to that chance was obvious to us all for years and when Hillary lost everyone forgot their high and mighty we will never lose bullshit did this.
How is that for some fucking facts.
Democrats that rely on court action are simply fooling themselves and killing me and my family and that is shameful. But maybe it is willful ignorance of what is actually going on.
I expect your super true retorts to this.
spanone
(135,832 posts)Those lucky enough to be alive years from now will know all about and that does not mean they win
Meanwhile we have attorney generals from New York and California getting on this already tried federal case for points.
Im pretty sure no one here knows what its like to have no insurance or not afford it. I see lots of thoughts and prayers for us silly poor state democrats. You just file some court cases that will never win and its all solved. Duh. Court cases!!!
Look. This board is all wrong. You are trying to to get judicial branch (that cant appropriate funds) to rule against the executive branch (that cant appropriate funds) to get funds appropriated. Im going nuts.
Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)Fallon should continue to ignore the mass murderer in the WH.
Wasnt that you?
You see for me I think everybody should be talking about this, E V E R Y B O D Y
Because yes, last year's behavour by voters and the russians and so on has now guaranteed our courts will very soon be controlled by the worst, ugliest, meanest, democracy hating piles of human shit imaginable.
And every single american BETTER be talking about it.
catbyte
(34,386 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,593 posts)but I am an Atheist and a realistic and I know it is not likely. My fate has been sealed since Nov 8th. I just wish I wouldn't have to suffer through so much pain until I die. There isn't enough morphine on the planet to help so I need a series of expensive surgeries and I will be bankrupt and bankrupt my 83 year old parents too (3/4 of my pancreas is scar tissue and only gets worse).