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Remember when Cornel West tweeted about "Brother Trump"? I do. Reason enough (Original Post) pnwmom Oct 2017 OP
You've got to be kidding with this shit melman Oct 2017 #1
I'm hoping to discredit Cornel West forever with any serious progressive, pnwmom Oct 2017 #2
August 2015? Kentonio Oct 2017 #5
Trump had been an anti-Obama birther bigot for years by 2015, pnwmom Oct 2017 #7
I know he's annoyed ME a nummber of times, "Brother" Kentonio. maddiemom Oct 2017 #51
Post removed Post removed Oct 2017 #61
You're saying Hillary Clinton "not only voted for the Iraq war but who advocated for it, and who betsuni Oct 2017 #62
and it's also classic whataboutism.. JHan Oct 2017 #68
Thanks. I wasn't sure who he meant. maddiemom Oct 2017 #78
This message was self-deleted by its author betsuni Oct 2017 #80
Wait, you're calling us so called progressive people, "while mistakes made by others betsuni Oct 2017 #70
No that's not what you're doing melman Oct 2017 #6
I didn't see that tweet by itself. I saw it when she posted it, and reminded me. pnwmom Oct 2017 #8
Nope melman Oct 2017 #9
I'm not buying your posts, either. So we're even. n/t pnwmom Oct 2017 #10
Hateful hashtag? VermontKevin Oct 2017 #33
What? melman Oct 2017 #34
No. VermontKevin Oct 2017 #35
It's right there melman Oct 2017 #37
Maybe I'm missing it, but I don't see a Hateful Hashtag. VermontKevin Oct 2017 #39
What's the point of this game? melman Oct 2017 #40
I truly don't see what you are saying. Could you tell us what it is? VermontKevin Oct 2017 #71
Right melman Oct 2017 #104
As usual, you dance around what you're implying. Why not come out and say what's "hateful".... George II Oct 2017 #75
"Memories" are hateful. betsuni Oct 2017 #79
You know how a hashtag works melman Oct 2017 #101
Actually no. I don't have a twitter account or any account on "social media".... George II Oct 2017 #102
You don't need an account melman Oct 2017 #105
But isn't the point of this discussion is what Cornell West said? George II Oct 2017 #106
No I don't think it really is melman Oct 2017 #107
Then you're reading into the mind of the person who posted the OP. George II Oct 2017 #108
You've got to be kidding with this shit Cary Oct 2017 #48
lol melman Oct 2017 #50
It's a stupid comment. Cary Oct 2017 #64
Did it make sense when you said it? George II Oct 2017 #76
It certainly did melman Oct 2017 #103
... betsuni Oct 2017 #65
This message was self-deleted by its author SharonClark Oct 2017 #82
Cornel West is not a 'friend' to Democrats. He helped 'Borther Trump win...screw him. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #4
Agree. 2018 is coming up fast, and West will be wielding his poison pen. Hortensis Oct 2017 #17
It is going to be an epic battle that we must win. I hope some have seen that electing Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #32
He's a loon. Drahthaardogs Oct 2017 #19
I don't understand that either. He is a disgrace. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #20
He's at Union Theological Seminary now, but I agree --- pnwmom Oct 2017 #25
He went to Princeton and proved capable of good work. My guess is he behaved Hortensis Oct 2017 #27
The vatican accepts adulteresses as ambassadors? mdbl Oct 2017 #28
:) I'm sure they routinely receive adulterers and worse, Hortensis Oct 2017 #29
lol mdbl Oct 2017 #31
Agreed. MariaCSR Oct 2017 #57
Thank you! Paka Oct 2017 #11
& it's from a well known disillusioned73 Oct 2017 #90
Classic example of extremist effect on thinking. And West's usual attention seeking, of course. Hortensis Oct 2017 #3
The trouble is that they can't win. We are supposed to step aside and watch them lose. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #14
Agree completely. But the OTHER trouble is they shouldn't be trusted with power. Hortensis Oct 2017 #18
I agree completely. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #22
+1 betsuni Oct 2017 #16
So no ones opinion on a person can change...ever? Like ever Ever? Brogrizzly Oct 2017 #12
I don't know... betsuni Oct 2017 #15
Wow. Brain damage? He sounds like the loon that Hortensis Oct 2017 #41
It's sad. He'll be okay for awhile and then go full loony. betsuni Oct 2017 #49
Not good. Wonder if that's his talking to adolescents mode, Hortensis Oct 2017 #53
No one who could support an anti-Obama BIRTHER in 2015 is EVER worth listening to, pnwmom Oct 2017 #21
Sure. But personality is different. It can change also, but only so much. Hortensis Oct 2017 #23
This guy has been doing this for years and no he doesn't change... Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #24
Oh, yes, to that last. Personally, I suspect he was jealous of Obama, Hortensis Oct 2017 #26
He is an attention seeker, and I think he hated Pres. Obama. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #30
His tweets certainly don't demonstrate it. Long, very dense text Hortensis Oct 2017 #38
I meant the verbiage that West tosses around...reminds me of the word salad Palin uses... Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #43
Know exactly what you mean and agree. Hortensis Oct 2017 #55
I have read some of his earlier writings...and wish I could have heard that Cornell West...I don't Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #66
High I.Q; Low E.Q.? maddiemom Oct 2017 #86
Sure seems possible. Hortensis Oct 2017 #87
So you think Bernie is like Sarah Palin? unc70 Oct 2017 #89
Oh, there are huge differences once you compare them to Hortensis Oct 2017 #91
I have a strongly different view of Bernie unc70 Oct 2017 #92
Yes. I feel I've gotten to know him sufficiently through his actions for that. Hortensis Oct 2017 #96
Great analysis Hortensis. I agree 100% lunamagica Oct 2017 #97
I suspected that, as well. maddiemom Oct 2017 #52
I think it's even worse than that... JHan Oct 2017 #67
Support you 100% lillypaddle Oct 2017 #13
Funny how people do not want to reminded when they were wrong or fooled. coolsandy Oct 2017 #36
Yes, that statement was wrong. But why continue the decisiveness? Sienna86 Oct 2017 #42
How does it "hurt the party" ? JHan Oct 2017 #45
You should pose that question to Dr. West Orrex Oct 2017 #46
How does decisiveness hurt the party? MrsCoffee Oct 2017 #54
Cornel West is one of the most divisive so called people on the left there is. phleshdef Oct 2017 #60
Because Cornel West isn't going to change, and we need to remember who he is pnwmom Oct 2017 #93
Arsonist, and bulllshitter. JHan Oct 2017 #44
You are correct to point out that West is a nut just like Sarandon Renew Deal Oct 2017 #47
Rec. nt LexVegas Oct 2017 #56
Day after day after day after day democrank Oct 2017 #58
I think thats exactly the point of the OP. Its Cornel West and others who divide the Democrats. yardwork Oct 2017 #63
The point of the OP is that West is an enabler. VermontKevin Oct 2017 #72
Cornel West supported Trump and dissed Obama. He isn't an ally. People need to know that. n/t pnwmom Oct 2017 #94
I've been calling Cornel West out as an ignorant hack for years. phleshdef Oct 2017 #59
He's a self serving POS. Knr joeybee12 Oct 2017 #69
Cornel West is dead to me. Adrahil Oct 2017 #73
But West also hates Hillary and Obama Blue_Tires Oct 2017 #74
I won't listen to anyone who voted for Jill Stein, because that one action spoke volumes of how still_one Oct 2017 #77
This message was self-deleted by its author SharonClark Oct 2017 #81
the worst people in America occupy the White House, cabinet, mountain grammy Oct 2017 #83
Yes, let's vilify West -- because he HELPED Trump get there. n/t pnwmom Oct 2017 #95
I won't forget mcar Oct 2017 #84
Yup ismnotwasm Oct 2017 #85
Narcissists sticking together. West is a greedy, spiteful hypocrite, although I've enjoyed ecstatic Oct 2017 #88
K&R. posts like the OP are necessary so we won't forget. Thanks pnwmom lunamagica Oct 2017 #98
Is there context to the comment? You can find somebody to be vile and still think they are JCanete Oct 2017 #99
West tweeted it out unencumbered by context. pnwmom Oct 2017 #100
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
1. You've got to be kidding with this shit
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 04:46 AM
Oct 2017

Do you seriously think it's not obvious what you're doing here?

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
2. I'm hoping to discredit Cornel West forever with any serious progressive,
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 04:52 AM
Oct 2017

no matter who they supported in the last election.

Cornel West spoke favorably of Trump. That should make you sick.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
5. August 2015?
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 04:58 AM
Oct 2017

Has Cornel West done something recently to annoy you, or is this a trip down memory lane?

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
7. Trump had been an anti-Obama birther bigot for years by 2015,
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 05:03 AM
Oct 2017

and 2015 is when he started to run for President.

Cornel West bears part of the responsibility for Trump's election, along with Jill Stein and anyone else who encouraged progressives to vote for Trump or throw their votes away.

Response to maddiemom (Reply #51)

betsuni

(25,558 posts)
62. You're saying Hillary Clinton "not only voted for the Iraq war but who advocated for it, and who
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 08:22 AM
Oct 2017

used to oppose gay marriage, and who campaigned against Obama using racist dogwhistles) are immediately forgiven and any mention of them treated as right wing smears." And calling us "so called progressive people."

Um, this is a forum for Democrats.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
68. and it's also classic whataboutism..
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 09:12 AM
Oct 2017

accomplishing what I don't know -Personally, I've despised West for approx 4 years now. His fuckeries in 2016 just confirmed what I already knew.

Response to maddiemom (Reply #78)

betsuni

(25,558 posts)
70. Wait, you're calling us so called progressive people, "while mistakes made by others
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 09:16 AM
Oct 2017

(say a certain former Senator who not only voted for the Iraq war but who advocated for it, and who used to oppose gay marriage, and who campaigned against Obama using racist dogwhistles) are immediately forgiven and any mention of them treated as right wing smears." You're bashing Hillary Clinton.

Why is this still here?

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
6. No that's not what you're doing
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 05:00 AM
Oct 2017

If it were you could just post that tweet by itself.

Instead, you deliberately included the tweet from bravenak, along with the hateful hashtag that goes with it.


pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
8. I didn't see that tweet by itself. I saw it when she posted it, and reminded me.
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 05:04 AM
Oct 2017

Cornel West is a phony, just like Jill Stein.

George II

(67,782 posts)
75. As usual, you dance around what you're implying. Why not come out and say what's "hateful"....
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 09:35 AM
Oct 2017

...about it? That would be easy, wouldn't it?

George II

(67,782 posts)
102. Actually no. I don't have a twitter account or any account on "social media"....
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 04:07 PM
Oct 2017

...I have a facebook signon but haven't used it in years. I needed it to subscribe to a magazine years ago.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
105. You don't need an account
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 04:15 PM
Oct 2017

Just click on where it says BernieMemories and it will show every tweet that includes that tag.

George II

(67,782 posts)
106. But isn't the point of this discussion is what Cornell West said?
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 04:21 PM
Oct 2017

"Brother Bernie and Brother Trump are authentic human beings in stark contrast to their donor-driven opponents"?

Few seem to want to address that, but put up smoke screens and diversions instead.

Remember, Cornell West was an early supporter and surrogate for the Senator. He seem to have nicer things to say about trump than the Democratic candidate.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
107. No I don't think it really is
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 04:32 PM
Oct 2017

I believe the whole point was to post that hashtag and the tweets connected to it.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
48. You've got to be kidding with this shit
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 07:13 AM
Oct 2017

Do you seriously think it's not obvious what you're doing here?

Response to pnwmom (Reply #2)

Demsrule86

(68,609 posts)
4. Cornel West is not a 'friend' to Democrats. He helped 'Borther Trump win...screw him.
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 04:58 AM
Oct 2017

We must never forget how Trump was elected and who helped...be watchful for 18 and 20. West will stab us in the back again and again.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
17. Agree. 2018 is coming up fast, and West will be wielding his poison pen.
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 05:30 AM
Oct 2017

Oh, dear. Reminds me that West endorsed Jill Stein and her whackadoodle co, Ajamu Baraka. Baraka was hardly an admirer in return. He said West was "sheep-dogging for the Democrats" by "drawing voters into the corrupt Democratic party." Of course he would.

Seriously, though, in 2018 and 2020 these types will be trying to dissuade voters from supporting Democrats and they should be discussed. Those their messages ping with will join them as before, but they'll also be trying to draw newcomers to politics who don't yet have the info they need to evaluate them.

Demsrule86

(68,609 posts)
32. It is going to be an epic battle that we must win. I hope some have seen that electing
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 06:31 AM
Oct 2017

Trump the destructor was a very bad move and have repented.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
25. He's at Union Theological Seminary now, but I agree ---
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 05:50 AM
Oct 2017

how he ever got to be at Harvard and Princeton is beyond me.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
27. He went to Princeton and proved capable of good work. My guess is he behaved
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 06:06 AM
Oct 2017

a lot more carefully in his early days, like most eager, ambitious bright young people. He would have been much more disciplined and earned his appointments by producing conscientiously.

There's a long list of public people still around who elevated themselves then self destructed.

Look at Gingrich, once hugely powerful speaker of the house, reduced to years of gadflying, pushing for attention to his keep name brand from expiring so he could sell scummy books and fake cancer cures. He's been mentioned in a lot of discussions of personality disorder, speculation of course but by knowledgeable observers.

(Another gadfly payoff, of course, is that his wife was just named ambassador to the Vatican. Only in a trumpster-fire administration, though. Poor Vatican.)

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
29. :) I'm sure they routinely receive adulterers and worse,
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 06:28 AM
Oct 2017

though perhaps never anyone so ruthlessly lacquered.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
3. Classic example of extremist effect on thinking. And West's usual attention seeking, of course.
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 04:57 AM
Oct 2017

This what that extremism expert meant who summarized left wing extremists as "hating themselves" (as in the systems they see themselves belonging to and as opposed to their counterparts on the right who "hate everyone else.&quot . It also displays the profound dishonesty typically required to support their twisted attitudes.

You're so right West's readers should have been outraged and too many weren't, yet another example. Most burn-down-the-establishment populist types and anti-mainstream leftists undoubtedly skipped directly to the insult to everyone but themselves and wallowed in this silly political bigotry.

Demsrule86

(68,609 posts)
14. The trouble is that they can't win. We are supposed to step aside and watch them lose.
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 05:17 AM
Oct 2017

Last edited Wed Oct 18, 2017, 05:52 AM - Edit history (1)

I won't. We need to win the next election...I hope we can take the Senate in 18 ...and we must by 20 or we lose the judiciary..and then it doesn't much matter who wins...the GOP has 30 + years to ram their agenda through with the courts. The year is 2017 not 1968...and by the way folks, the Republicans won in 68 (Humphrey),72 (McGovern),80(Carter),84(Mondale,88 (Dukakis)...think about that. Clinton saved the courts...then back to Republicans because Gore just wasn't good enough for the green and left left riffraff...eight years of George Bush...previously the worst president. Then we had our own version of FDR...President Obama who saved our economy, the auto industry and gave us our only healthcare program in the history of this country. The Green riffraff and left left attacked him mercilessly. They had a collective Temper tantrum over single payer which was not possible and we lost in 10...poof any chance we had of getting anything done goes up in smoke. To be fair any party that touches healthcare pays a price so the GOP may well fine after they kill thousands that they killed their electoral chances as well...hope so.


2016 Comes along. With help from the Green riffraff and the usual suspects ET AL, Hillary Clinton, one of the most accomplished women ever to run for president is defeated...with some help from the Russian too of course. And now we have probably the most dangerous president of them all...a sexual predator that Cornell West found 'authentic' ...fuck Cornell West.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
18. Agree completely. But the OTHER trouble is they shouldn't be trusted with power.
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 05:34 AM
Oct 2017

Neither competent balanced judgement nor ethical behaviors are associated with tendencies to extremism.

Personally, as I worry every day about the survival of our democracy, I appreciate "boring" candidates more than ever. Give me a serious, ambitious policy wonk over an exciting demagogue any day of my lifetime. When I want charisma and entertainment, I can watch a movie.

betsuni

(25,558 posts)
15. I don't know...
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 05:26 AM
Oct 2017

Still becomes unhinged over Hillary Clinton.

On Real Time with Bill Maher earlier this year:




Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
41. Wow. Brain damage? He sounds like the loon that
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 06:55 AM
Oct 2017

Drahtaardogs called him. In full trumpian mode, actually.

This is yet another excellent example of the intellectual dishonesty extremism requires. He lied and grossly distorted reality every bit as much in the first half I listened to as Trump does.

betsuni

(25,558 posts)
49. It's sad. He'll be okay for awhile and then go full loony.
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 07:17 AM
Oct 2017

He's triggered by the mention of Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton, maybe all Democrats.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
53. Not good. Wonder if that's his talking to adolescents mode,
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 07:44 AM
Oct 2017

or what he remembers of it, triggered by the audience? Signs of dementia? It's very hard to imagine this person ever impressing anyone at Princeton, wouldn't happen.

I'm guessing all Democrats. If this nastiness toward the people we vote for isn't turned directly on us it's only because we're held in too much contempt to split attention on.

He also had a little problem, I recall, with all the "Jews" supposedly surrounding Obama. A big fluorescent warning flag, not that yet another had been needed.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
21. No one who could support an anti-Obama BIRTHER in 2015 is EVER worth listening to,
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 05:47 AM
Oct 2017

no matter what they say in the future.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
23. Sure. But personality is different. It can change also, but only so much.
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 05:48 AM
Oct 2017

In West's case, he's no kid. He's not still "finding" himself.

He has a real brilliance that combined with ambition and desire for acclaim elevated him, but he self destructed as his behaviors became more scrutinized.

Wait and see, Brogrizzly. He went quiet for a while after blowback from 2016. He went to counterprotest in Charlotte, and good for that. Interestingly, though, he claimed his life was seriously endangered. That's certainly possible, but it seems a little strange for such a public figure that it was never corroborated.

Maybe watch and judge for yourself if he's changed?

Addendum: Just watched that Betsuni's video with Maher. Oh, my! Well, watch him coming up to 2018 anyway. First-person observations are always desirable.

Demsrule86

(68,609 posts)
24. This guy has been doing this for years and no he doesn't change...
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 05:49 AM
Oct 2017

And what he said about Pres. Obama which I won't repeat here...look it up is unforgivable.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
26. Oh, yes, to that last. Personally, I suspect he was jealous of Obama,
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 05:53 AM
Oct 2017

though his vast disapproval was no doubt real, and certainly a black "intellectual" criticizing Obama was an easy way to get national attention. Most people would have no idea who he was if not for that.

Demsrule86

(68,609 posts)
30. He is an attention seeker, and I think he hated Pres. Obama.
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 06:29 AM
Oct 2017

Everyone says how smart he is...personally, I don't see it...he throws big words around that are meaningless unless used to insult or defame...word salad. He is the Sarah Palin of the intellectual community. No one understands a god damn word he says most of the time...but they nod encouragingly.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
38. His tweets certainly don't demonstrate it. Long, very dense text
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 06:45 AM
Oct 2017

has always been useful for expressing ideas with only a shred of viability as more than they are. Tweets don't enable that verbal forest.

But the man who can no longer get an appointment at Harvard or Princeton in his 60s was a different man when he worked there in his 20s and 30s.

Sarah Palin? Have to confess I don't see it, Dems. Bernie Sanders, though more educated, is the one who strikes me as more of her counterpart. They're both very charismatic and effective motivational speakers but that's mostly all. Both proving astonishingly, shockingly (him anyway) ignorant about how they would accomplish their goals. Whatever you say about what West has made of it, he was very well educated and studied everything he could find on his passions, something we learned the others never did.

Demsrule86

(68,609 posts)
43. I meant the verbiage that West tosses around...reminds me of the word salad Palin uses...
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 07:01 AM
Oct 2017

meaningless really. He is certainly smarter than she is...but not very wise if you know what mean.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
55. Know exactly what you mean and agree.
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 07:46 AM
Oct 2017

Just heard some word salad on that video and see what you mean there also. I remember a different, more eloquent and coherent West from the past.

Demsrule86

(68,609 posts)
66. I have read some of his earlier writings...and wish I could have heard that Cornell West...I don't
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 08:59 AM
Oct 2017

know what happened to him...vanity, intellectual laziness...attention seeking?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
87. Sure seems possible.
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 10:35 AM
Oct 2017

But I'm guessing this guy's behaviors probably also arise from various characteristics of his personality, as all ours do.

I suspect that anyone who develops a strong, chronic belief system that can only be supported with lies, lies, and more lies and that requires continual rejection of obvious truths, things that literally can be measured or are documented on video for instance, has more than one wire misconnected.

We're talking about this guy, of course, because he is behaving in controversial and attention-grabbing ways, not because he's one of thousands of university professors and other intellectuals who don't.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
91. Oh, there are huge differences once you compare them to
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 12:22 PM
Oct 2017

each other, of course. Plus, he's definitely one of a kind, far too individual to be replaced or subbed by anyone else.

But as I watched Sanders over time and he was compared now and then to various people, the most similar public figure who came to my mind was Palin.

The huge, most striking similarity, of course, is the fabulous talent both they have for inspiring and exciting audiences. If Hillary had Sanders' talent, she'd have wiped the floor with Obama, and he's hardly a slouch on a stage himself. If Martin O'Malley had it instead of of Sanders, Sanders'd still be just a face in pictures with an I by his name. As it is, though, when it comes to influencing audiences, Palin and Sanders are far above all recent others. Including Trump.

It was only later that a second similarity leaped out at me: during the NYT and WaPo editorial interviews, when Sanders revealed he had no idea HOW he would use executive power to achieve his goals, in spite of arguing for them for over 40 years, including 25 in congress.
(Finally get a use for this.)

Of course, no one ever bothered to ask Palin how one might use the Fed or any other department of government for anything at all, much less how to make single payer happen. Would have taken too long just to explain to her what the Fed was. Sanders has some understanding.

But, in any case, compared to all other recent candidates, they were each alone in their own special class in their stupefying lack of preparation for the positions they were running for or might in future.

They also strick me more alike than not in their great conviction in the righteousness of their cause, hers right wing religious faith of course, his left wing, but both absolutely certain that only they have the answers and the Democratic Party is wrong about everything.

Oh, well.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
96. Yes. I feel I've gotten to know him sufficiently through his actions for that.
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 02:14 PM
Oct 2017

I started extremely interested in Elizabeth Warren, moved to Sanders when he presented himself to us, watched him closely and eagerly, and now I'd hope he'd never be my best choice to run an animal shelter, much less be president in 2020.

It's not issues. We share most of those, and income disparity and destroying uberwealthy class are at the top of my agenda these days. My objection is specifically to him. He does not meet my standards in several critical areas. If he ever wanted my vote, he should have kept the issues but behaved more, in fact, like a typical Democratic candidate.

But to each their own.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
67. I think it's even worse than that...
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 09:09 AM
Oct 2017

he expected special treatment from Obama, he wanted to be lauded, to be given a seat at the table.

When he didn't get it, he started to turn nasty.I suspect that's the level of petty we're dealing with.

 

coolsandy

(479 posts)
36. Funny how people do not want to reminded when they were wrong or fooled.
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 06:44 AM
Oct 2017

That is why mistakes are repeated throughout history.

Orrex

(63,216 posts)
46. You should pose that question to Dr. West
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 07:06 AM
Oct 2017

Ask him if he recants that wrong statement, and ask about his recent anti-Hillary diatribes, and ask why he continues the decisiveness.

And please share his responses here. Thanks!

MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
54. How does decisiveness hurt the party?
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 07:45 AM
Oct 2017

Nothing wrong with being able to make decisions quickly.

You know what hurts the party? Crazy idiots who pump up Republicans and Greens while trashing Democrats. That is called divisiveness and it is West’s specialty. Dude went round the looney bin a long time ago.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
93. Because Cornel West isn't going to change, and we need to remember who he is
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 02:00 PM
Oct 2017

and not be duped by him again.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
44. Arsonist, and bulllshitter.
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 07:04 AM
Oct 2017

Ever since his delusional belief that Obama made some promise to him that was broken, he became bitter - especially after 2012 , when his beef with Obama took a personal turn.

He is now an arsonist.

I hope he's satisfied that he helped destroy the candidacy of the "neoliberal" , because Trump is so "authentic" and the same as his opponent or better - ( wrap your head around a mind that would think that foolishness)

The way he wielded his influence in a razor thin election should serve as a reminder of how he's forever on shit.

democrank

(11,098 posts)
58. Day after day after day after day
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 07:48 AM
Oct 2017

Post after post after post after post.

Stir the pot

Whack the hornet's nest

Widen the gap

Highlight the differences

Haven't we had enough division?

Isn't it time to unite to fight Trump and his enablers?

yardwork

(61,671 posts)
63. I think thats exactly the point of the OP. Its Cornel West and others who divide the Democrats.
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 08:26 AM
Oct 2017

Ignoring them didn’t work. Now we have to call them out and soundly renounce their tactics.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
59. I've been calling Cornel West out as an ignorant hack for years.
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 07:56 AM
Oct 2017

Dude sits around and memorizes shit out of the dictionary. Thats all there is to his tired gimmick. I can't stand to watch Real Time when he is a guest. He doesn't know when to shut the fuck up.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
74. But West also hates Hillary and Obama
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 09:26 AM
Oct 2017

so he'll always have a reserved seat at the purity left table...

still_one

(92,273 posts)
77. I won't listen to anyone who voted for Jill Stein, because that one action spoke volumes of how
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 09:38 AM
Oct 2017

irrational they are


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mountain grammy

(26,630 posts)
83. the worst people in America occupy the White House, cabinet,
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 10:05 AM
Oct 2017

the House of Representatives, the Senate, and, soon, a SCOTUS majority. But, by all means, let's vilify Cornell West.

ecstatic

(32,718 posts)
88. Narcissists sticking together. West is a greedy, spiteful hypocrite, although I've enjoyed
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 10:36 AM
Oct 2017

his recent smackdowns of Paris Dennard on CNN. Still, when CW gets called out on his activity in the last election, he deflects and still refuses to take responsibility. He bashed Pres. Obama relentlessly for petty personal reasons. He has never given a shit about the poor, working, or middle class. He had no problem taking money from truly corrupt corporations like Wells Fargo (he should give that money back!!!). Uggh. Next!

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
99. Is there context to the comment? You can find somebody to be vile and still think they are
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 03:24 PM
Oct 2017

being authentic. That said, if West is speaking to anything but the bigotry, misogyny or callousness Trump wears on his sleeve, nothing else about that man is even remotely authentic or sincere, and never has been, so for West to be that wrong on this man's character would be pretty baffling.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
100. West tweeted it out unencumbered by context.
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 03:36 PM
Oct 2017

But we all know the kinds of things he was saying about Hillary and Obama.



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