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bathroommonkey76

(3,827 posts)
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 10:13 AM Oct 2017

Donald Trump Bragged About the Renoir on His Private Jet. Experts Say Its a Fake.




Watching Donald Trump being interviewed on 60 Minutes shortly after Election Day 2016, eagle-eyed art lovers might have noticed what looked like a painting by French Impressionist painter Pierre-Auguste Renoir hanging on a wall behind the president-elect. The especially astute might have noticed that it looked suspiciously familiar.

New York Times business reporter Timothy O’Brien had seen the painting before, on Trump’s personal jet, back when the president was still a private citizen. When Trump told O’Brien that it was the genuine article, O’Brien declared, “Donald, it’s not. I grew up in Chicago, that Renoir is called Two Sisters (on the Terrace), and it’s hanging on a wall at the Art Institute of Chicago. That’s not an original.” O’Brien, who recalled the meeting in an interview with Vanity Fair‘s Hive podcast, also remembers that the day after that exchange. He says Trump pointed out the painting again, as though the conversation had never happened. (A representative for the Art Institue of Chicago confirmed that Two Sisters is part of the museum’s collection but declined to comment further.)

Two art historians were willing to comment on the painting. While neither spoke to President Trump’s assertions, their observations leave little doubt about the painting’s authenticity.

Richard Brettell is chair of aesthetic studies at the University of Texas in Dallas, a Yale University Ph.D., director of the Dallas Museum of Art, and author of several books on Impressionism. His verdict? It’s a fake. He writes in an email:

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https://news.artnet.com/art-world/donald-trump-fake-renoir-1117814
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Donald Trump Bragged About the Renoir on His Private Jet. Experts Say Its a Fake. (Original Post) bathroommonkey76 Oct 2017 OP
Geez, everything about the trumpenfuhrer is fake. Knr joeybee12 Oct 2017 #1
It's probably sandwiched between two fake Time Magazine covers. TheBlackAdder Oct 2017 #23
hah! joeybee12 Oct 2017 #24
Perhaps he has a cunning plan..... AJT Oct 2017 #28
What is the provenance on this painting? Sanity Claws Oct 2017 #2
The phrase "a fool and his money are soon parted" comes to mind mythology Oct 2017 #22
" ... and its hanging on a wall at the Art Institute of Chicago." Botany Oct 2017 #3
Fake Time covers zipplewrath Oct 2017 #4
But his cult believes that shit dalton99a Oct 2017 #5
It's real ! left-of-center2012 Oct 2017 #6
Trump does not know the difference between reality and fantasy. madaboutharry Oct 2017 #7
FAKE Art!!! Stallion Oct 2017 #8
The Con believes his 'fakes' are real and everything real malaise Oct 2017 #9
You know madokie Oct 2017 #12
And that's putting it malaise Oct 2017 #13
Just some more of his fakery to give the impression he is richer than he really is. Grammy23 Oct 2017 #10
I wonder what gave them that idea? Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2017 #11
ROFL!! smirkymonkey Oct 2017 #14
lol bathroommonkey76 Oct 2017 #16
Fake Art.... Fake President.... Fake Human n/t Kleveland Oct 2017 #15
Everything that comes out of his mouth is a lie. cwydro Oct 2017 #17
Surprised he didn't have it painted on black velvet...... Bayard Oct 2017 #18
Art of the Deal--"I got this genuine Renoir painting for less than the cost librechik Oct 2017 #19
they needed an expert? come on. this is likely one of the most reproduced mopinko Oct 2017 #20
I wonder how much he paid for his "real" Renoir TexasBushwhacker Oct 2017 #21
He Paid $56 cash money from a vendor along 5th Ave Central Park. The_Casual_Observer Oct 2017 #26
The same vendor he bought his Rolex watch from. CatMor Oct 2017 #31
He knows better than the fake art experts Orrex Oct 2017 #25
He seems like an unlikely art collector, anyway. LisaM Oct 2017 #27
An apt Tump metaphor. nt Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #29
I've seen that painting many times. greatauntoftriplets Oct 2017 #30
But he has the BEST fakes! eom Maeve Oct 2017 #32
Maybe he thinks it is - meaning... lame54 Oct 2017 #33
Trump claimed that these Time Magazine covers were real also Gothmog Oct 2017 #34
What's really chilling is that Trump repeated the claim the next day to the same person. Jim Lane Oct 2017 #35

Sanity Claws

(21,849 posts)
2. What is the provenance on this painting?
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 10:17 AM
Oct 2017

Wealthy people don't spend big money on art unless the piece has the provenance. If he bought it without a provenance, he knew that it was likely a fake and he did not pay what a real Renoir would be worth.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
22. The phrase "a fool and his money are soon parted" comes to mind
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 12:01 PM
Oct 2017

Given Trump is an idiot and unaware of that fact, he may well have gotten swindled.

madaboutharry

(40,212 posts)
7. Trump does not know the difference between reality and fantasy.
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 10:31 AM
Oct 2017

"In 1925, the painting was sold to Annie S. Coburn from Chicago for $100,000. After her death in 1932 the painting was bequeathed to the Art Institute of Chicago, where it has remained since 1933.[1]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Sisters_(On_the_Terrace)

madokie

(51,076 posts)
12. You know
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 10:46 AM
Oct 2017

I think his dad. for whatever reason, must have taken little donnie by the ankles and dropped him head first onto a concrete floor, over and over he drops him.

This cretin isn't right

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
10. Just some more of his fakery to give the impression he is richer than he really is.
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 10:40 AM
Oct 2017

He knows that chances are the people who see these things will not know they are fake and most will be too polite to say anything. That is why he has gotten away all these years with the grandiose images of his lifestyle. Betcha you could go through his penthouse and see one fake item after another. Starting with that “gold plated toilet” he supposedly has. Krylon sells gold spray paint at Wal-Mart for $3.72 a can that gives a shiny impression of real gold. Try scratching your finger on tRump’s throne and see what flakes off.

P.S. It is also a window into his mind of what he thinks “class” really is. He wouldn’t Know true class if it came up and bit him on the ass.
 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
14. ROFL!!
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 10:58 AM
Oct 2017


The thing is, Trump is too stupid and uncultured to know anything about art or have any appreciation for it. The only thing he cares about is the price tag. Any art expert could sell him a fake and take advantage of his ignorance. He never goes to museums so he would have no way of knowing that this painting has been hanging in The Art Institute of Chicago since 1933.
 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
17. Everything that comes out of his mouth is a lie.
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 11:26 AM
Oct 2017

I just can’t believe this disgrace is our president.

I can’t believe responsible people in our party cannot do something.

librechik

(30,676 posts)
19. Art of the Deal--"I got this genuine Renoir painting for less than the cost
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 11:41 AM
Oct 2017

of Jeff Sessions AND Mitch McConnell combined. Win!"

mopinko

(70,150 posts)
20. they needed an expert? come on. this is likely one of the most reproduced
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 11:42 AM
Oct 2017

paintings in the whole damn art institute collection. it is recognizable from a mile away.
the gift shop sells it as a poster, and has for decades. there must be millions of them out there.

the man is out of his freakin mind.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,205 posts)
21. I wonder how much he paid for his "real" Renoir
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 11:57 AM
Oct 2017

If he knows it's fake and tries to pass it off as real, he's a liar. But if he got conned that it was real and dropped a few million on it, he's a sucker.

LisaM

(27,815 posts)
27. He seems like an unlikely art collector, anyway.
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 02:05 PM
Oct 2017

He just doesn't seem like the type to appreciate art, or understand why it's valuable.

greatauntoftriplets

(175,745 posts)
30. I've seen that painting many times.
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 02:23 PM
Oct 2017

And I've never been on a drumpf plane. It's definitely in the Art Institute.

Gothmog

(145,407 posts)
34. Trump claimed that these Time Magazine covers were real also
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 03:21 PM
Oct 2017

Remember the fake Time magazine covers https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a-time-magazine-with-trump-on-the-cover-hangs-in-his-golf-clubs-its-fake/2017/06/27/0adf96de-5850-11e7-ba90-f5875b7d1876_story.html?utm_term=.c707318553a3

?uuid=kI-VLFtNEeefxsfvS8WNEw

The real Time cover, left, and the fake Donald Trump cover. (Left: Time. Right: Angel Valentin for The Washington Post)
 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
35. What's really chilling is that Trump repeated the claim the next day to the same person.
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 07:20 PM
Oct 2017

"He says Trump pointed out the painting again, as though the conversation had never happened."

It's interesting to ask whether Trump originally thought the painting was real (he's stupid) or knew it was fake (he lied). But that's secondary. Be he a dimwit or a liar, even a minimally rational dimwit or liar would not repeat the same statement to the same person the next day "as though the conversation had never happened."

That's more frightening than concluding that he got conned on an art purchase or that he thought he could put one over on an unknowledgeable visitor. It tells me that he's just so wrapped up in his egotism that his self-laudatory conclusions are absolutely impervious to any inputs from the real world.

I'll bet he sincerely believes that he's done a great job in Puerto Rico.

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