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IronLionZion

(45,468 posts)
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 11:09 AM Oct 2017

Single-payer would drastically change health care in America. Heres how it works.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/national/single-payer-explainer/?utm_term=.1933f3bf9edd

As Republican efforts to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act continue in the background, some Democrats are starting to eye a new health policy goal: implementing a single-payer system. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) introduced a single-payer bill in mid-September with 16 Democratic co-sponsors — 16 more than he got when he introduced the bill two years earlier. But how is the health-care system funded now, and how would “single-payer” change that?

There are three major components to every health-care system, single-payer or not: a patient, a payer (typically an insurance company or the government) and a provider. Here’s how money moves between them:

How multi-payer systems work
Virtually all health-care systems follow this general pattern, but who the payers are can vary widely. In the U.S. private insurance market, patients typically purchase coverage from one insurance company among many competing insurers. Because different people end up with different insurers, there are multiple payers throughout the U.S. health-care system.

How single-payer systems work
In a purely single-payer system, there is, as the name would indicate, just one payer — typically the government. This is analogous to how the United States administers some portions of Medicaid: The government provides coverage, and no private insurers are involved.



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Single-payer would drastically change health care in America. Heres how it works. (Original Post) IronLionZion Oct 2017 OP
single payer scares me now... samnsara Oct 2017 #1
I think about that whenever we have single payer discussions here IronLionZion Oct 2017 #2
They haven't ruined Canada's system Bradshaw3 Oct 2017 #5
We've seen red states in the US sabotage the PPACA efforts on the state level IronLionZion Oct 2017 #6
Single payer looks to be the only way forward Not Ruth Oct 2017 #3
Example: Germany. DetlefK Oct 2017 #4

samnsara

(17,624 posts)
1. single payer scares me now...
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 11:16 AM
Oct 2017

...that we see how easy it is for a rogue gvnt to take control of essentially the entire thing and derail it with one signature. At least the way it is now it has to be chipped away.

IronLionZion

(45,468 posts)
2. I think about that whenever we have single payer discussions here
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 11:29 AM
Oct 2017

it would be great if we ever had enough Dems in control to pass and implement single payer, but what happens when a vindictive moron like Trump is in control? We've seen it happen in other countries where conservatives take power and then pass "reforms" that deliberately ruin it. Most all the negative stories from Canada's program are from the conservative province of Alberta.

Bradshaw3

(7,522 posts)
5. They haven't ruined Canada's system
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 11:40 AM
Oct 2017

That would be political suicide, just as it would be in America to take away or ruin Medicare or Social Security. Because it "might" get ruined in the future is an argument for keeping the ridiculous greed-based system we have now?

IronLionZion

(45,468 posts)
6. We've seen red states in the US sabotage the PPACA efforts on the state level
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 11:51 AM
Oct 2017

by opting out of the Medicaid expansion, not building a state marketplace, etc. Conservative provinces in Canada have reformed their famous system which is administered at the province level, or enacted budget cuts. Whenever someone had a very long wait or didn't get a satisfactory outcome, they are always from Alberta.

My point was not to keep our expensive system, but rather to plan and mitigate the risk of conservatives trying to kill it.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
4. Example: Germany.
Wed Oct 18, 2017, 11:40 AM
Oct 2017

Germany's health-insurance-system has two competing components:
Government single-payer and private health-insurance. You MUST have a health-insurance. Any.

Germany has the "Allgemeine Ortskrankenkassen", AOK. ("General Local Health-Insurance&quot
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allgemeine_Ortskrankenkasse
* They were originally founded by the german government and are nowadays a network of health-insurance companies, one per state. (But you can just switch from one to the other without problem if you move to a different state, because they all sell the same insurance-plans and use the same administrative structure.)
* Though independent companies, they are tightly regulated by the government.
* The AOKs must give health-insurance to anyone who wants to sign up. No discrimination against preexisting conditions allowed.
* As they insure the bulk of the population, and because they sell plans that are basically just essential healthcare, and because of tight government-regulation, they are fairly cheap.
* If you cannot afford to pay for your health-insurance, because you're too poor or unemployed, then the government pays for a bare-bones AOK healthcare-plan.


On the other side are private insurers. (What the US has now.)
* They are allowed to check for preexisting conditions.
* They sell you big, comprehensive, expensive healthcare-plans that will get you the best healthcare possible in all situations.

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