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Feud: Elena and Neil
Why rumors of a GorsuchKagan clash at the Supreme Court are such a bombshell.
By Mark Joseph Stern
Following his nomination to the Supreme Court, Neil Gorsuch was packaged by his wealthy benefactors as the judicial equivalent of a carrot cake: mild and wholesome with the occasional hint of spice. Now that the justice has been safely installed on the court for life, he has revealed himself to be more akin to melted sorbet: sickly sweet and insubstantial with a tangy finish that induces slight nausea. Gorsuchs abrupt pivot to arrogance has been on full display in his bumptious opinions and questions from the bench. But it also appears to be infecting his interactions with justices behind the scenes. Whispers emerging from the court indicate Gorsuch is more likely to alienate than influence even his conservative colleagues.
The latest sign of trouble comes from NPRs Nina Totenberg, who dropped in on the indispensable Supreme Court podcast First Mondays to dish some gossip about the newest justice. Totenberg, a renowned court reporter who is friendly with several justices, noted that Gorsuch ticks off some members of the courtand I dont think its just the liberals. Without exposing her sourcesyou talk to former law clerks, you talk to friends, you talk to some of the justicesTotenberg then dropped a bombshell:
My surmise, from what Im hearing, is that Justice [Elena] Kagan really has taken [Gorsuch] on in conference. And that its a pretty tough battle and its going to get tougher. And she is about as tough as they come, and I am not sure hes as toughor dare I say it, maybe not as smart. I always thought he was very smart, but he has a tin ear somehow, and he doesnt seem to bring anything new to the conversation.
Why is Totenbergs reporting here so extraordinary? Because its astonishing that any reporter would hear details from conference, let alone score some genuinely juicy scuttlebutt. Conference is famously sacrosanct: Its where the justices gather to cast their votes in the cases of the week, with each explaining his or her reasoning in order of seniority. Nobody else is allowed to attend. If rumors leak about a justices behavior in conferenceand they basically never doit is almost certainly a justice who leaked them. And when justices leakwhich again, happens very rarelythey do so on purpose. The fact that we know about the battle in conference between Gorsuch and Kagan suggests that someone on the court wants us to know.
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http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2017/10/why_rumors_of_a_gorsuch_kagan_supreme_court_clash_are_such_a_bombshell.html
enough
(13,259 posts)The question will be: are minds being changed? I think we all know the answer.
drmeow
(5,021 posts)it could make it harder for the conservatives to sway him to their side. Justices do change their votes based on arguments put forward by their fellow justices and there is some negotiation which takes place. Gorsuch antagonizing even the conservative justices could actually matter - not a lot but it is not meaningless.
MrModerate
(9,753 posts)(think Thomas), then he won't be leading the writing on many decisions.
Given that he's a tool of the right, I'm content that he not be one of the sharper ones.
CatWoman
(79,302 posts)he's the Ted Cruz of the Supreme Court.
trueblue2007
(17,230 posts)Whiny guy can't take the heat.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)the Justices.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/how-badly-is-neil-gorsuch-annoying-the-other-supreme-court-justices
This is the first I've heard about the Kagan- Gorsuch battle , though. Good for her!
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,416 posts)whose job it was to methodically evaluate and determine a nominee's fitness for a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court and vote accordingly..............
mopinko
(70,145 posts)madaboutharry
(40,212 posts)Gorsuch is an example of dripping white privilege. He is unctuous and entitled. Of course he would rub people the wrong way. Imagine being one of the younger members of the court and know that you are going to have to work with this guy for the rest of your life. That would be rough.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)Maraya1969
(22,486 posts)That alone says much about his character.
drmeow
(5,021 posts)LittleGirl
(8,287 posts)LisaM
(27,815 posts)Even John Roberts, why, IIRC, was able to bypass some process or another because they were nominating him to be Chief Justice, not just Justice.
GoCubsGo
(32,086 posts)That apple didn't fall far from the tree.
stuffmatters
(2,574 posts)I suspect Gorsuch too is a textbook alum of that same legal extremist chop shop that also gifted us Alito & Scalia; it was founded by
Henry Regnery
TeamPooka
(24,232 posts)charliea
(260 posts)I'm old enough to remember his late mother's disastrous term as the head of the EPA, under Ronald Rayguns. She lasted a couple of years (81- 83) but ultimately was forced to resign because of a scandal with the handling of the Superfund environmental cleanup program. Little Neil was raised by that harridan. Her term could be considered a template for Pruitt, although he takes more chartered flights (the hoi pololi are sooo annoying...)
#Resist
Sneederbunk
(14,293 posts)milestogo
(16,829 posts)snort
(2,334 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)czarjak
(11,284 posts)broadcaster90210
(333 posts)NT
Mike Niendorff
(3,462 posts)Expand the Court to 11 : 1 to nullify the illegitimate justice, then 1 to rule legitimately in place of the nullified vote.
MDN
liberalla
(9,249 posts)Very much.
Stinky The Clown
(67,809 posts)The innocent bystander being a litigant. The blood being bile from this lowlife fuck.
mountain grammy
(26,630 posts)he is for sure a lowlife fuck, but born into the aristocracy that is now running America.
JI7
(89,254 posts)During the Senate hearings he came off phony and creepy.i thought it was fake when he laughed and when he got emotional.
BigmanPigman
(51,613 posts)I do judge a book by its cover and his cover is shrink wrapped...too clean. Underneath it you know that there is something rotting and foul.
lindysalsagal
(20,695 posts)so-called "conservative" opinions are usually either selfish greed or childish ignorance and superstition. Neither will stand up to a well-spoken liberal.
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)He stole the seat, shat over the Senate and now blows up the Court.
He is the worst outside of the orange nero
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)FSogol
(45,493 posts)Calista241
(5,586 posts)Kind of like the weird Ruth Bader Ginsburg / Antonin Scalia friendship.
IronLionZion
(45,466 posts)since it requires a lot more oil and butter to make it taste good. The melted sorbet sounds more accurate.
NCjack
(10,279 posts)He job is to gum up the works.
Gothmog
(145,374 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)hearing that Gorsuch was a smarmy and arrogant. Had I been one of the senators he met with, I'd've been sorely tempted to punch him in the nose.
I love reading/learning this.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)But I remember when Kagan was proposed, some people got very nasty, they said "she will never vote for gay marriage." and "she will join the right wing."
WELLLLLLOL, it looks like some people owe her an apology, because she is turning out to be the exact buttress against Gory sucks we needed.
not fooled
(5,801 posts)just sits there.
May gosuck have a stressful and thoroughly unpleasant tenure on the Supreme Court.
Occupying a stolen seat never works out well.
Oh, and Nina, gosuck doesn't bring anything new to the conversation because, like most pukes in power, he is only interested in steamrolling opposition in order to impose his agenda on everyone else. And has crappy ideas that sound ridiculous in a reasoned debate.