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fleur-de-lisa

(14,624 posts)
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 03:02 PM Oct 2017

Thousands Of Protestors Show Up In Florida To Drown Out Richard Spencers Hate

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/thousands-of-protestors-show-up-in-florida-to-drown-out-richard-spencers-hate_us_59e8a469e4b00905bdaf1141?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

GAINESVILLE, Fla. — Thousands of people turned up Thursday at the University of Florida to protest an afternoon speech by a prominent white supremacist, making their message clear: Richard Spencer, and those like him, are not welcome.

Well before Spencer’s speech, set to start at 2:30 p.m. (EDT) at a place that did not invite him, a mass of protestors was on hand to greet him.

“Not in our town, not in our state, we don’t want your Nazi hate!” protestors chanted as they made their way to the Phillips Center for the Performing Arts, where Spencer was to appear. Other popular chants included “Alt-right you can’t hide, you support genocide!” and “No Trump, no KKK, no Facist USA!”

There were no initial reports of violence prior to Spencer’s speech.
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Thousands Of Protestors Show Up In Florida To Drown Out Richard Spencers Hate (Original Post) fleur-de-lisa Oct 2017 OP
I wish someone would explain to me why the university marybourg Oct 2017 #1
even better question is... Thomas Hurt Oct 2017 #2
Are state schools required to provide a platform marybourg Oct 2017 #9
That's it precisely. State school; 1st Amendment applies. lagomorph777 Oct 2017 #10
Colleges that try to ban him lose in court. (nm) Elwood P Dowd Oct 2017 #3
Are there grounds MichMary Oct 2017 #4
Auburn tried to block him for safety reasons, but a federal judge ruled in Spencer's favor. Elwood P Dowd Oct 2017 #6
So, that's a "no" then? MichMary Oct 2017 #7
Translation: Leave Spencer alone! FSogol Oct 2017 #16
Have colleges been declared a public accomodation, marybourg Oct 2017 #11
Their facilities are available for rental mcar Oct 2017 #14
Now it's clear. Thank you. marybourg Oct 2017 #15
Yes. They really didn't have a choice. mcar Oct 2017 #18
He rented the hall for $10k. The university is obligated to rent to any group. FSogol Oct 2017 #17
About 20 nazis showed up. The_Casual_Observer Oct 2017 #5
The Nazis swapped out their white polo shirts for brand new white oxford dress shirts Brother Buzz Oct 2017 #8
Oh that's not going well at all. lagomorph777 Oct 2017 #12
He's being shouted down in the hall mcar Oct 2017 #13

marybourg

(12,631 posts)
1. I wish someone would explain to me why the university
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 03:06 PM
Oct 2017

felt obligated to give him a platform, just because he asked for it. Can anyone ask for such a platform and be granted it as of right? Or only those people who might sue? Or only controversial people? Has anyone heard a discussion of this? I haven't.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
2. even better question is...
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 03:14 PM
Oct 2017

if they were obliged because it is a state school, why weren't all media allowed to attend.

marybourg

(12,631 posts)
9. Are state schools required to provide a platform
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 03:51 PM
Oct 2017

for anyone who wants to appear? Are they offering a hall rental service that's considered a public accomodation? That would be the only reason I can come up with in a situation where they have not been invited, but have demanded to appear.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
10. That's it precisely. State school; 1st Amendment applies.
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 03:53 PM
Oct 2017

However, the 1st Amendment doesn't say you can't bill the speaker for providing security to protect against his "guests." In this case, that's about $1,000 a pop.

MichMary

(1,714 posts)
4. Are there grounds
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 03:15 PM
Oct 2017

for a public university (government institution) to deny him the right to speak? First Amendment, and all . . .

Elwood P Dowd

(11,443 posts)
6. Auburn tried to block him for safety reasons, but a federal judge ruled in Spencer's favor.
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 03:24 PM
Oct 2017

"A federal judge granted Spencer's request for an injunction, effectively ordering Auburn to host his speaking event."

"While Mr. Spencer's beliefs and message are controversial, Auburn presented no evidence that Mr. Spencer advocates violence," U.S. District Court Judge W. Keith Watkins said in his ruling, noting that peaceable free speech is protected by the Constitution.

MichMary

(1,714 posts)
7. So, that's a "no" then?
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 03:26 PM
Oct 2017

If he isn't advocating violence, then there are no grounds to deny him a platform?

marybourg

(12,631 posts)
11. Have colleges been declared a public accomodation,
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 03:54 PM
Oct 2017

like a town square, where all have the right speak? Do they have to be provided a room? Security?

mcar

(42,334 posts)
14. Their facilities are available for rental
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 04:04 PM
Oct 2017

Spencer invited himself and paid the rental fee. They only charged him 10k for security, which was really stupid.

FSogol

(45,488 posts)
17. He rented the hall for $10k. The university is obligated to rent to any group.
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 04:18 PM
Oct 2017

That's Spencer's game. Fighting in court for attention and blaming protesters for the violence he instigates.

Brother Buzz

(36,440 posts)
8. The Nazis swapped out their white polo shirts for brand new white oxford dress shirts
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 03:34 PM
Oct 2017

I am a dissident intellectual - Richard Spencer

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
12. Oh that's not going well at all.
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 03:55 PM
Oct 2017

The few scattered Nazis are going to end up having to change their underwear too.

mcar

(42,334 posts)
13. He's being shouted down in the hall
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 04:03 PM
Oct 2017

Phillips Center isn't even close to half full and most attendees are shouting "go home Spencer."

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