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nolabear

(41,963 posts)
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 04:16 PM Oct 2017

Two things in particular disturbed me about Gen. Kelly's speech today.

First, as a military kid, I remember a whole lot about the mindset of military officers. They idealize the country, the cause, the soldiers and the commanders. Gen. Kelly is the old school general who believes it's all sacred and they're all good even when he knows better. Knowing and believing are remarkably two different things.

But what disturbed me was, first, his egregious and personal attack on Congresswoman Wilson. He not only was outraged at her "listening in" on a call that it was many times said was on a speaker phone and that by all reports he listened in on himself, he went back to an earlier event and impugned her character. It was an event that had nothing to do with this situation, he just wanted to make her look bad.

The second was that litany about women and religion having been sacred in the Good Old Days. His idea of women being sacred clearly means kept in our places, denied rights, put on the prison of a pedestal and having no power over our own lives. His idea of religion being sacred clearly means good old Judeo-Christian mores, which we all know includes a whole lot of exclusion, abuse, and tribalism.

I think military commanders have to live under a certain amount of delusion in order to be able to do the unthinkable, to fight absurd wars without question and to send young men and women to die, sometimes for a good cause, sometimes for nothing.

I appreciated his eloquent descriptions and am sorry for his pain. But he's using it to perpetuate things that shouldn't be perpetuated and shoring up a man in whom he should be deeply, deeply ashamed.

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Two things in particular disturbed me about Gen. Kelly's speech today. (Original Post) nolabear Oct 2017 OP
Once again proving the WH is infected with fake Christians with fake values. Fred Sanders Oct 2017 #1
We were USAF 23 years MFM008 Oct 2017 #2
Me too, or at least my father was. He died as a result of Agent Orange exposure. nolabear Oct 2017 #3
The assumption you're making atreides1 Oct 2017 #4
That was my assumption MFM008 Oct 2017 #6
They're not mutually exclusive. nolabear Oct 2017 #8
I'm a military kid too. My father fought in three wars. Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #5
Superb commentary RandomAccess Oct 2017 #7
I'm having more surreal moments, as though it a terrible movie. nolabear Oct 2017 #9
He is a racist misogynist old fart that is part of the problem. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #10
I thought he degraded "his eloquent descriptions and ... his pain" but Rec. UTUSN Oct 2017 #11

MFM008

(19,814 posts)
2. We were USAF 23 years
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 04:20 PM
Oct 2017

Today Kelly sold his soul and that of his dead kids to shore up the sad ass vile excuse for a maggot .
From this moment he is as "dead" as the abomination he boot licks.

nolabear

(41,963 posts)
3. Me too, or at least my father was. He died as a result of Agent Orange exposure.
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 04:27 PM
Oct 2017

I have always been the rebel in a family full of conservative AF folks. I eventually, through studying psychology, began to realize how deep the brainwash of war goes. If it's not glorious, it's all for nothing. If the commander is a fool, our families died on a fool's errand. If we're not honored we're just worm food.

45 is such an incredible fool. I've never been a military fan but I get it. His wasting of everything the honorable side of the whole military mindset and the pretzel logic people like Kelly have to use to serve him and still be loyal to the ideals is the real sacrilege.

atreides1

(16,079 posts)
4. The assumption you're making
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 04:36 PM
Oct 2017

Is that Kelly is loyal to the ideals that this country is suppose to represent, when it's clear that his loyalty is to Trump and this administration...in order to remain relevant and not be consigned to the obscurity he was heading to!!!

Right now I'm willing to bet that Flynn had a lot to do with Trump selecting both Kelly and Mattis...

MFM008

(19,814 posts)
6. That was my assumption
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 04:38 PM
Oct 2017

he is as devoted to the care and feeding of the maggot.................
You are right.

nolabear

(41,963 posts)
8. They're not mutually exclusive.
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 08:13 PM
Oct 2017

The split is being able to hold two opposing thoughts at once but not in the sense of tolerating ambiguity in a healthy way. I agree he wants to keep power and is toadying to do it. But I'd bet he tells himself his motives are more noble even as he "knows" and acts otherwise.

Irish_Dem

(47,094 posts)
5. I'm a military kid too. My father fought in three wars.
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 04:37 PM
Oct 2017

And I too was the rebel. I agree with all of the rest of the military kids posting here. We know the Gen Kelly type all too well.

nolabear

(41,963 posts)
9. I'm having more surreal moments, as though it a terrible movie.
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 08:15 PM
Oct 2017

This stuff just boggles the mind. The whole Niger business...

UTUSN

(70,695 posts)
11. I thought he degraded "his eloquent descriptions and ... his pain" but Rec.
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 09:13 PM
Oct 2017

And I believe that his original telling TWITLER about not getting a call from OBAMA was sycophantic fuel for TWITLER, who then, after finding himself in another mess, sent KELLY out there as power-playing punishment. KELLY is craven.

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