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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTwo things in particular disturbed me about Gen. Kelly's speech today.
First, as a military kid, I remember a whole lot about the mindset of military officers. They idealize the country, the cause, the soldiers and the commanders. Gen. Kelly is the old school general who believes it's all sacred and they're all good even when he knows better. Knowing and believing are remarkably two different things.
But what disturbed me was, first, his egregious and personal attack on Congresswoman Wilson. He not only was outraged at her "listening in" on a call that it was many times said was on a speaker phone and that by all reports he listened in on himself, he went back to an earlier event and impugned her character. It was an event that had nothing to do with this situation, he just wanted to make her look bad.
The second was that litany about women and religion having been sacred in the Good Old Days. His idea of women being sacred clearly means kept in our places, denied rights, put on the prison of a pedestal and having no power over our own lives. His idea of religion being sacred clearly means good old Judeo-Christian mores, which we all know includes a whole lot of exclusion, abuse, and tribalism.
I think military commanders have to live under a certain amount of delusion in order to be able to do the unthinkable, to fight absurd wars without question and to send young men and women to die, sometimes for a good cause, sometimes for nothing.
I appreciated his eloquent descriptions and am sorry for his pain. But he's using it to perpetuate things that shouldn't be perpetuated and shoring up a man in whom he should be deeply, deeply ashamed.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)MFM008
(19,814 posts)Today Kelly sold his soul and that of his dead kids to shore up the sad ass vile excuse for a maggot .
From this moment he is as "dead" as the abomination he boot licks.
nolabear
(41,963 posts)I have always been the rebel in a family full of conservative AF folks. I eventually, through studying psychology, began to realize how deep the brainwash of war goes. If it's not glorious, it's all for nothing. If the commander is a fool, our families died on a fool's errand. If we're not honored we're just worm food.
45 is such an incredible fool. I've never been a military fan but I get it. His wasting of everything the honorable side of the whole military mindset and the pretzel logic people like Kelly have to use to serve him and still be loyal to the ideals is the real sacrilege.
atreides1
(16,079 posts)Is that Kelly is loyal to the ideals that this country is suppose to represent, when it's clear that his loyalty is to Trump and this administration...in order to remain relevant and not be consigned to the obscurity he was heading to!!!
Right now I'm willing to bet that Flynn had a lot to do with Trump selecting both Kelly and Mattis...
MFM008
(19,814 posts)he is as devoted to the care and feeding of the maggot.................
You are right.
nolabear
(41,963 posts)The split is being able to hold two opposing thoughts at once but not in the sense of tolerating ambiguity in a healthy way. I agree he wants to keep power and is toadying to do it. But I'd bet he tells himself his motives are more noble even as he "knows" and acts otherwise.
Irish_Dem
(47,094 posts)And I too was the rebel. I agree with all of the rest of the military kids posting here. We know the Gen Kelly type all too well.
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)echoes my own disquieted (and utterly disgusted) reaction.
nolabear
(41,963 posts)This stuff just boggles the mind. The whole Niger business...
Mediumsizedhand
(531 posts)UTUSN
(70,695 posts)And I believe that his original telling TWITLER about not getting a call from OBAMA was sycophantic fuel for TWITLER, who then, after finding himself in another mess, sent KELLY out there as power-playing punishment. KELLY is craven.