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Solly Mack

(90,769 posts)
1. Oh, you know. Women who are seen and not heard. Who knew their place (the kitchen)
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 06:31 PM
Oct 2017

and who knew to wear pearls while cleaning, and always - always - shutting the fuck up - and obeying.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
14. Pretty much.
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 09:24 PM
Oct 2017

We all know what "sacred" is code for. It means submissive, in your place and subservient to a man. Oh, and above all, your highest calling in life is to be a mother and to sacrifice every hope, dream and ambition you have ever had for the sake of your family.

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
2. He's the latest in a long line of Dignity Wraiths.
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 06:32 PM
Oct 2017

No one gets out of the Trump WH without shedding any and all credibility and self-respect that they had when entering.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
3. Men in general but mostly conservative men simply dont like or trust women.
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 06:34 PM
Oct 2017

Now many men on the liberal side are trying to unlearn these traits, but until recently it was pretty universal.

Kelly, like most con men and still many liberal men, see women as something to put up on a pedestal or something to be derisive and petty about.

The same woman can at the same time be mom who we worship but she can also be ungrateful because dad went to work all those years and paid all the bills, how dare she say she wants to go to college and get some girlfriends to do stuff with.

You could hear the hate in his voice when he referred to "that woman".

Now I dont care if a bunch of liberal men start telling me how this doesnt apply to them, because until men stop other men, it does. Until white people work to stop other white people from being racist or to eradicate racism, for instance, it is ALL white people's problem that racism still exists.

etc

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
8. Your question makes no sense, why would we be killed for standing against racism?
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 07:05 PM
Oct 2017

Other than the obvious reasons.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
9. Because of the obvious reasons.
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 07:18 PM
Oct 2017

Because that's American History. That's human history.

Confrontations like you're demanding of Liberal Men aren't going to change minds unless it's done friend-to-friend, colleague-to-colleague. I've done that; I do that. I have no idea if minds are changed.

But if you try it with a stranger, you'll get in a fight. It happens quite frequently. Men are violent, testosterone-addled apes. Humans are violent apes.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
16. I had the same thought when I first read about this
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 10:02 PM
Oct 2017

I understood him to mean that women should be scared and mindful of their place.

Tanuki

(14,918 posts)
5. Kelly has said he believes that allowing women to serve in combat
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 06:56 PM
Oct 2017

will lower standards.

https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript-View/Article/642104/department-of-defense-press-briefing-by-general-kelly-in-the-pentagon-briefing/

....."There will be great pressure, whether it's 12 months from now, four years from now, because the question will be asked whether we've let women into these other roles, why aren't they staying in those other roles?

Why aren't they advancing as infantry people -- persons, I guess? Why aren't they becoming, you know, more senior and the answer is, I think will be, if we don't change standards, it will be very, very difficult to have any numbers -- any real numbers come into the infantry, or the Rangers or the Seals, but that's their business.
........

So I think it will be the pressure for not probably the generals that are here now, but for the generals to come, and admirals, to lower standards because that's the only way it'll work in the way that I hear some people, particularly, the agenda-driven people here in Washington -- or in the land, the way they want it to work."

Irish_Dem

(47,114 posts)
7. Good Ole Boys see women as Madonna/Whore dichotomy.
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 07:04 PM
Oct 2017

Women are either saints (sacred) or prostitutes.

MontanaMama

(23,319 posts)
10. I dont recall a golden
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 07:29 PM
Oct 2017

era in history where women were sacred. Hell, we were considered property not all that long ago.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
11. Now that would be a great name for a concert.
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 07:33 PM
Oct 2017

Held on the Mall...Melissa, Indigo Girls, Sarah McLachlan, Bonnie Raitt...

Lol, I guess I just described Lilith Fair, but you get my point.

Ninsianna

(1,349 posts)
12. Perhaps he acknowledging that he knows he's profaning a gold star family?
Thu Oct 19, 2017, 08:59 PM
Oct 2017

The poor pregnant widow that orange asshat said disgusting things to? The grieving mother who heard those words in person and heard the lack of human decency in the sociopath Kelly defends? Or the friend of the family who did what Kelly recalls his own son's friends did, show up to offer support? You know "that woman" he smeared so vilely, for daring to "listen in" on a disaster of a call that he too was "listening in on"?

She was shocked and stunned at the lack of humanity of the sociopath in chief, and said so, as anyone with platform should, even if she was not a personal friend and mentor of the serviceman who was killed so gruesomely that an open casket is not possible?

Kelly is right he and his sociopath have tainted a great many things and Kelly swanned out and tainted a gold star family himself. Utterly disgusting.

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