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H2O Man

(73,559 posts)
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 10:29 PM Oct 2017

Hey Joe




It was fifty years ago today that Jimi recorded this song. As much as I like his music, it's not exactly what I want to write about this evening.

Last night, while I was buying groceries, a gentleman with long hair and beard stopped in his chair in front of me. I'd seen him in the store once before, and thought he looked like a late friend, a Vietnam veteran, also in a chair. He had been coming in the other direction in the isle, so we were facing each other. He said he no longer likes people in general (except his family), and prefers being a hermit. By appearance, he noted, I was likely the same.

We ended up talking for about an hour, including his showing me pictures of his family. It turns out he lives on a dirt road outside a town where I lived about 40 years ago, although I was even more remote and isolated there than him. (After a year, I could see the driveway to a new house in the distance, so I moved.)

He had held a fairly high rank, and also taught at a military school. Both of his sons are currently stationed in war zones, one near or in Iraq, the other in Afghanistan. However, he told me, he never follows the “news” these days. It turns out that my younger son knows his younger boy. Also, he is acquainted with one of my friends, and had known the friend he reminded me of. Like them and I, he shares the feeling our nation is in trouble, but prefers not to think – much less talk – about it.

Since getting home, I've been thinking about that. I suspect his political and social points of view are distinct from my own, and respect his not wanting to discuss them. He did give me a card, with his e-mail on it, and I think that I'll be contacting him at some point. But not to discuss the topics I usually talk to people about. And that's fine.

In part, I think “current events” can be difficult to discuss, because of the 24 hour news cycle that focuses on an issue for 48 to 72 hours, then goes on to the next topic. Add that during the Trump era, so many issues are outrages. And, even among some relatively good, intelligent people, the threads between the issues and outrages aren't recognized or fully understood.

Over the years I've been on DU, I've noticed some topics often result in foolish arguments. Two that come to mind involve issues of sex and race. Quite often, it is due to people reacting emotionally to those topics. Obviously, passion and emotion can be part of rational discourse; yet, many irrational arguments involve passions and emotions.

With Trump's insulting phone call to the wife of one of the four men killed in military action in Niger, we see rational and passionate discussions on DU. This is, in part, because Trump is an offensive specimen, even when discussing minor issues such as a piece of cake. On important issues, he is a flaming asshole. Hence, on an issue that includes sex and race – and other important factors – there tends to be a general consensus on DU.

Yet, the discussions on the sexual predator from Hollywood included a few things I found to be less on point. Certainly, there are examples of men being harassed, but in my opinion, that is beside the important point that we should be concentrating. And I say that as a man who was twice subjected to unwanted advances while on the job.

The first time was when I was 17, and doing carpentry work in a diner. I was on a ladder, and the owner came and grabbed me in a place he had no business touching me. I assume he forgot I had a hammer in my hand, but I didn't.

The second time was in a human service job. I was in my office, working overtime, and assumed the building was otherwise empty. I was surprised when my new supervisor came in, and asked me, “Do you want to have some wild sex, or what?” I said, “Or what” on my way out the door.

Now, I've had good supervisors, as well as jackasses who liked to make life miserable for me. But none of these experiences come close to what I know my daughters have faced in the past. More, I realize that many, many other women have endured far worse than my daughters. Thus, when I talk to them, I could talk about my experiences, but not to suggest that I know how they felt. Just that I can try.

Somehow, we need to talk about these types of issues. Such discussions can often involve strong emotions and deeply rooted passions, but can still be rational. It's not a contest to see what group or individual has suffered the most. It is necessary, to move forward so that no one is subjected to harm.

Just my opinion.
H2O Man
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Hey Joe (Original Post) H2O Man Oct 2017 OP
This Joe recs this Hey Joe! JoeOtterbein Oct 2017 #1
Thanks, Joe! H2O Man Oct 2017 #2
You are very welcome. Take care Man! JoeOtterbein Oct 2017 #8
This Will LikelY Sound Foolish Me. Oct 2017 #3
Thanks! H2O Man Oct 2017 #4
It Fits Me. Oct 2017 #6
K&R... spanone Oct 2017 #5
Thank you! H2O Man Oct 2017 #7
So many songs he covered, and I'm usually disappointed with the originals ProudLib72 Oct 2017 #9
I've got a H2O Man Oct 2017 #10
Excellent piece! burrowowl Oct 2017 #11
Well, thank you! H2O Man Oct 2017 #12
One of Jimi's finest! democratisphere Oct 2017 #13
It doesn't seem H2O Man Oct 2017 #17
Know exactly what you mean. democratisphere Oct 2017 #18
The contrast of Jimi and the audience peacebuzzard Oct 2017 #14
Right! H2O Man Oct 2017 #19
Jimi's song brings back pleasant memories. Thanks, and... oasis Oct 2017 #15
Thanks! H2O Man Oct 2017 #20
K & R malaise Oct 2017 #16
Thank you! H2O Man Oct 2017 #21
Bless your heart, H2O Man librechik Oct 2017 #22
Thanks! H2O Man Oct 2017 #23

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
9. So many songs he covered, and I'm usually disappointed with the originals
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 11:44 PM
Oct 2017

I may be wrong, but I heard Dylan said he was going to let Jimi "own" All Along the Watchtower after hearing him perform it live.

H2O Man

(73,559 posts)
10. I've got a
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 11:46 PM
Oct 2017

three LP set, from Germany, of Jimi doing Motown ..... lots of great covers. He was amazing.

H2O Man

(73,559 posts)
17. It doesn't seem
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 11:22 AM
Oct 2017

like 50 years have gone by .....at least until I look in the mirror, and see an old man looking back.

peacebuzzard

(5,175 posts)
14. The contrast of Jimi and the audience
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 02:07 AM
Oct 2017

Just doesn't fit. He was way out so very long ago. 50 years? H2O, thanks for this, I wonder often why I just don't fit in today, Jimi has always been understandable for me. It has been so long something great like this music was coming out! Jimi was the catalyst for so much....Peace to you, bro.

H2O Man

(73,559 posts)
19. Right!
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 11:26 AM
Oct 2017

I wouldn't have imagined going to see Jimi wearing a suit and tie. (Two ties, maybe!)

I was telling my son how my normal brother once said that a lot of Jimi's music sounded like "noise." I never heard it that way. It spoke to me, conveyed emotions, etc. And it still does.

H2O Man

(73,559 posts)
20. Thanks!
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 11:28 AM
Oct 2017

There is something nice about a song you can listen to for 50 years, and think, "Dang, that's good!"

librechik

(30,674 posts)
22. Bless your heart, H2O Man
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 11:32 AM
Oct 2017

Well said. After almost 40 years I still don't know how to have a conversation with my husband about such issues. He already knows everything. I love him, but not much room for progress.

H2O Man

(73,559 posts)
23. Thanks!
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 02:28 PM
Oct 2017

I've been lucky to have great teachers. My four children rank at the top level, and having daughters definitely opened my eyes to things I had never been conscious of before. Being a single father with two teen-aged daughters was not always easy -- though they were always well-behaved -- but was like a grad school of life's lessons.

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