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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 09:10 AM Oct 2017

Caught in a deadly ambush, U.S. troops in Niger waited an hour for French air power to arrive

By Dan Lamothe October 23 at 7:47 PM

The U.S. Special Forces team caught in a deadly ambush three weeks ago in Niger did not request help from nearby French forces for about an hour after the firefight began near a village the Americans had visited during a reconnaissance mission several hours prior, the Pentagon’s top general said Monday.

It then took the French another hour to get fighter jets over the American troops, according to a new timeline provided by Gen. Joseph F. Dunford Jr., chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The disclosure doubles the amount of time the U.S. troops were believed to have fought without significant additional help.

“This is a very complex situation that they found themselves in, and a pretty tough firefight,” Dunford said.

Four U.S. soldiers were killed and two others were wounded in the battle Oct. 4. Five Nigerien troops also died. The mission has ignited a political firestorm, raising questions about the U.S. military’s broader mission in Africa and why one of the fallen soldiers, Sgt. La David Johnson, was not recovered for two days.

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Caught in a deadly ambush, U.S. troops in Niger waited an hour for French air power to arrive (Original Post) DonViejo Oct 2017 OP
All this timeline heaven05 Oct 2017 #1
Yep, something fishy is going on. The Marine general who gave the 1 hour press conference... brush Oct 2017 #3
He was one of 4 killed GulfCoast66 Oct 2017 #7
in this era heaven05 Oct 2017 #11
But he was the only one left behind. Aren't they supposed to stay until all are accounted for? brush Oct 2017 #13
+++ heaven05 Oct 2017 #9
The French sent fighter jets, how stupid was that Not Ruth Oct 2017 #2
Close air support is a key weapon in any ground battle hack89 Oct 2017 #4
Ground troops are often aided by close air support IronLionZion Oct 2017 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author GulfCoast66 Oct 2017 #8
Not stupid at all GulfCoast66 Oct 2017 #10
Did the French sarisataka Oct 2017 #14
Another problem is that many local villagers in the area are supporting the militant groups IronLionZion Oct 2017 #6
Vietnam obamanut2012 Oct 2017 #12
 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
1. All this timeline
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 09:21 AM
Oct 2017

BS is CYA. Saw it plenty of times in explanations of hostile engagements leading to american combat deaths coming out of Vietnam, IRAQ, Afghanistan. Nothing....NOTHING..coming out of the mouths of 'officials' associated with and leading this POS administration can ever be believed.

brush

(53,785 posts)
3. Yep, something fishy is going on. The Marine general who gave the 1 hour press conference...
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 09:40 AM
Oct 2017

yesterday said that the troops didn't call for help for an hour, maybe because they thought they could handle the situation.

WTF?

They're all covering their ass — and somehow the black guy got left behind.

It's like in the movies, the black guy is always the first one killed, or left behind, or in real like it's the unarmed black guy shot by the police.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
7. He was one of 4 killed
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 09:48 AM
Oct 2017

Green Berets are some of our best and most cohesive units. To suggest they abandoned him, their comrades in arms, because if his race if totally inappropriate.

It is more likely that others died trying to save him. Or he died trying to save them.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
11. in this era
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 10:00 AM
Oct 2017

of ACTIVE racists running our government from top to bottom and encouraging their racist attitudes to be adopted by civilian and military alike, it is not a stretch to believe that even in one of our 'elite' units, the white soldiers were seen as priority. Nothing inappropriate of questioning, why the black guy? Was he still alive when left? Was he killed by hostile fire or.......many, many questions are arising in this old vet's mind who served 13 months in a small base camp in a country where 'fragging' became a household word.

brush

(53,785 posts)
13. But he was the only one left behind. Aren't they supposed to stay until all are accounted for?
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 10:13 AM
Oct 2017

We keep hearing all these generals in press conferences declaring that Americans don't leave their fallen behind yet he got left behind for two days.

There's no denying that.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
9. +++
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 09:51 AM
Oct 2017

always the first one....always. I am so angry they left him on the field of battle in hostile territory for 2 goddamn days. Meanwhile back at the ranch the other KIA's and WIA's were being taken care of. Was Sgt. Johnson still alive when left behind? That's my question.

 

Not Ruth

(3,613 posts)
2. The French sent fighter jets, how stupid was that
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 09:32 AM
Oct 2017

Our troops were in a ground battle, how about sending ground troops.....

hack89

(39,171 posts)
4. Close air support is a key weapon in any ground battle
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 09:42 AM
Oct 2017

secondly, it is not certain there were French troops available to help them.

IronLionZion

(45,450 posts)
5. Ground troops are often aided by close air support
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 09:43 AM
Oct 2017

the ground troops identify the enemy's location and the jets come and shoot them. It's been commonplace for decades.

As for having more ground troops. Chad had troops in Niger supporting the fight against ISIS. Trump cut off travel arbitrarily for no listed or implied reason whatsoever, so Chad removed their troops. There are other American troops in the west Africa. Not sure why they weren't called.



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sarisataka

(18,663 posts)
14. Did the French
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 10:26 AM
Oct 2017

Even have ground troops to send?

Even if they did, that would likely take another hour or three.

Air support is faster and often more effective

IronLionZion

(45,450 posts)
6. Another problem is that many local villagers in the area are supporting the militant groups
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 09:45 AM
Oct 2017

mainly under threats of having their families raped and massacred. Trump's blatant bigotry against Muslims doesn't help.

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