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WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 10:44 AM Jul 2012

Ann Romney: You can trust Mitt because he gives 10% of his income to church every year

"He's a very generous person. We give 10 percent of our income to our church every year. Do you think that is the kind of person who is trying to hide things, or do things?"

-- Ann Romney, in an interview on ABC News, defending her husband for not releasing their tax returns but not noting the irony that only their tax returns can prove what they give to charity.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/07/19/quote_of_the_day.html

Well, Ann, then what does he have to fear about releasing several years worth of tax returns then?

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Ann Romney: You can trust Mitt because he gives 10% of his income to church every year (Original Post) WI_DEM Jul 2012 OP
Does he give 10% of what he reports that he earns... LynneSin Jul 2012 #1
Wouldn't surprise me if that were another factor... Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2012 #8
Other people have said... Amerigo Vespucci Jul 2012 #10
Okay, next question... What does the church do with that money? targetpractice Jul 2012 #2
They put Prop 8 on the CA ballot and act like a SuperPac n/t Pryderi Jul 2012 #19
Right... His tax returns contain a gazillion things everyone will want answers about... targetpractice Jul 2012 #30
They build more giant gaudy churches on prime realestate. savalez Jul 2012 #25
Obama gave 13.6% to charity Ian David Jul 2012 #3
Biden way lower... GreenMask Jul 2012 #24
Obama wasn't that wealthy before his presidency. I think the fact that he was paying off.... Moonwalk Jul 2012 #34
And they're probably be short-changed too. no_hypocrisy Jul 2012 #4
I think that's why he doesn't want his taxes released... Blue Meany Jul 2012 #5
Kay Bailey Hutchison was spewing this same BS malaise Jul 2012 #6
seems like something he'd be proud of Enrique Jul 2012 #7
Good place to launder money lame54 Jul 2012 #9
And if we don't trust that church..... then what ? Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #11
Who then spend it on homophobic campaigns and shopping malls (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #12
Breaking news: Mormons tithe. sinkingfeeling Jul 2012 #13
Yeah, everyone knows that if you give to church RedStateLiberal Jul 2012 #14
Ann, is that his "real" income? lpbk2713 Jul 2012 #15
Right? Good point. nt Chorophyll Jul 2012 #23
Which brings me to the question... WilmywoodNCparalegal Jul 2012 #16
Then show us the returns, Ann!! proud2BlibKansan Jul 2012 #17
Did she just say this today? proud2BlibKansan Jul 2012 #18
Yep. It's a trap. n/t Pryderi Jul 2012 #20
Yeah, but the Mormon Church works against things I support TlalocW Jul 2012 #21
BFD, Mrs. Romnoid. Chorophyll Jul 2012 #22
Can you imagine 4 years of abuse from the Romneys flamingdem Jul 2012 #26
Prove it Ann. Show us the tax returns. nt riderinthestorm Jul 2012 #27
I was under the impression that 10% was a REQUIREMENT Fresh_Start Jul 2012 #28
He doesn't want the fundies to know how much he gives the Mormons. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2012 #29
Doesn't the Mormon church require a minimum 10% donation per household? Initech Jul 2012 #31
is she fucking kidding??? handmade34 Jul 2012 #32
10% of what, Ann? gort Jul 2012 #33
Exactly!!! B Calm Jul 2012 #35
Well, that's very nice Ann, that Mitt gives %10 of his income to his church...... soccer1 Jul 2012 #36
Can someone explain to me why tithing to a church is charitable giving? Progressive dog Jul 2012 #37

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
1. Does he give 10% of what he reports that he earns...
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 10:46 AM
Jul 2012

or 10% based on all those hidden tax havens he has.

Perhaps he doesn't want to show his tax returns because it will show he doesn't actually tithe 10% of everything he has.

Amerigo Vespucci

(30,885 posts)
10. Other people have said...
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 10:52 AM
Jul 2012

...that maybe the tax returns sill show that he only gives to his church.

Mitt's "generosity" has long been a talking point, but guess what?

Most of the people I know tithe 10% to their churches.

It doesn't make him a superhero. And yeah, my guess is that the books are cooked in one way or another when it comes to "Ten percent of WHAT? The whole enchilada or the amount his accountants moved over to the column on the left?"

targetpractice

(4,919 posts)
2. Okay, next question... What does the church do with that money?
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 10:48 AM
Jul 2012

Hey Ann, do you think we are the type of people who should simply trust you?

targetpractice

(4,919 posts)
30. Right... His tax returns contain a gazillion things everyone will want answers about...
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 11:55 AM
Jul 2012

Maybe nothing illegal, but his campain will be overwhelm trying to explain everything he did an why.

 

GreenMask

(48 posts)
24. Biden way lower...
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 11:29 AM
Jul 2012

Biden was WAY lower.

Stats tend to favor the right wing on charitable giving, btw. Obama's historical numbers before his presidency are radically lower.

http://blog.geoiq.com/2009/01/07/dataset-of-the-day-who-is-more-generous-republicans-or-democrats/

Moonwalk

(2,322 posts)
34. Obama wasn't that wealthy before his presidency. I think the fact that he was paying off....
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 12:24 PM
Jul 2012

...student loans and such means we can forgive him if he wasn't so generous with gifts to church or charity. Mitt hasn't that that excuse--but more to the point, I'd like to know what charities those donations are funding. As said, if his church is just another super pac, then all Mitt's doing is using it as another way to bankroll his political career. 10% may go to the church, but that doesn't mean that 10% goes to helping the homeless.

 

Blue Meany

(1,947 posts)
5. I think that's why he doesn't want his taxes released...
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 10:49 AM
Jul 2012

We'll be able to compute his actual income from what he pays to his church.

Also, we will see that his loyalty his first to his church, second to his money...and dead last to his country.

malaise

(269,065 posts)
6. Kay Bailey Hutchison was spewing this same BS
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 10:50 AM
Jul 2012

two days ago and so did that crazy Rmoney hack Wall earlier this morning.
It's official Rmoney spin - holier than thou fuck'ries.
Remember ReTHUG Scumbag Rmoney is a 'real American'

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
7. seems like something he'd be proud of
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 10:50 AM
Jul 2012

so he'd want to release the forms and everyone can see his generosity.

RedStateLiberal

(1,374 posts)
14. Yeah, everyone knows that if you give to church
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 10:58 AM
Jul 2012

then you are automatically a good person.


Like Dennis Rader - Church Board President of the Christ Lutheran Church...and serial killer.

http://www.beliefnet.com/News/2005/03/BTK-Killer-And-Church-Board-President-One-And-The-Same.aspx

WilmywoodNCparalegal

(2,654 posts)
16. Which brings me to the question...
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 11:05 AM
Jul 2012

if Romney were to unfortunately be elected President, would he then tithe 10% of that income to the LDS church? Because, if so, since we all pay that salary (I include myself because, even though I'm not a US citizen and can't vote, I still pay taxes like everyone else), wouldn't that constitute the government's endorsement of one religion and thus be unconstitutional?

proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
18. Did she just say this today?
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 11:07 AM
Jul 2012

Yesterday the Democrats were told to lay off of her, now today she opens her mouth?

So she gets to speak out but she can't be criticized?

Whoa.

Chorophyll

(5,179 posts)
22. BFD, Mrs. Romnoid.
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 11:15 AM
Jul 2012

So do a lot of other people and some of them are loathsome.

What's the biggie about the tax returns, hmm?

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
28. I was under the impression that 10% was a REQUIREMENT
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 11:53 AM
Jul 2012

of the religion.
So doing the minimum is now "VERY GENEROUS"?

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,748 posts)
29. He doesn't want the fundies to know how much he gives the Mormons.
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 11:53 AM
Jul 2012

He's probably even richer than he's letting on, and if he's tithing that means the LDS church has received millions from him over the years.

The fundies don't care much for Mormons, whom they consider to be heretics, but they'll vote for Mittens because they hate Obama. But what if the fundies found out how much Mittens really has given to that nest of heretics in Utah? They might just stay home. The first rule of right-wing politics is that you must never piss off the fundies. And millions of dollars donated to a heretical cult could do just that.

Initech

(100,081 posts)
31. Doesn't the Mormon church require a minimum 10% donation per household?
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 12:06 PM
Jul 2012

So Mitt would just be contributing the bare minimum if this were true.

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
32. is she fucking kidding???
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 12:10 PM
Jul 2012

I have seen more abuse in the church than most other institutions... the lack of comprehension about the 'real' world is astounding... don't misunderstand, I have been part of the church in the past (had multiple relative pastors, went to seminary myself) and there is good, but lord, giving 10% to the church is indicative of NOTHING other than you are obedient to your church rule

abuse, sexual misconduct, financial fraud, etc... are all part of the church at some time

gort

(687 posts)
33. 10% of what, Ann?
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 12:16 PM
Jul 2012

Are they Tithing 10% based on all their income to their church or are they evading fully reporting all they make to their church, too?



soccer1

(343 posts)
36. Well, that's very nice Ann, that Mitt gives %10 of his income to his church......
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 12:28 PM
Jul 2012

now Mitt, release more years of your returns and we can all understand more about where the rest of your money goes and doesn't go.

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