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Initech

(100,081 posts)
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 05:55 PM Oct 2017

The US Military Has A White Nationalist Problem

Nearly one in four troops polled say they have seen examples of white nationalism among their fellow service members, and troops rate it as a larger national security threat than Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan, according to a new Military Times poll.

The troops were surveyed about one month after white supremacist groups and counter-protesters clashed in Charlottesville, Virginia.

Critics of Trump have accused him of emboldening groups who wish to discriminate against minorities, through both his public comments and policies.

Trump has said he opposes racism in all forms.

In the wake of the Charlottesville riot, senior military leaders repeatedly emphasized that threats or discrimination against minorities is against service values. The Military Times poll findings show that the armed forces aren’t exempt from the debate.

Concerns about white nationalist groups were more pronounced among minorities in the ranks. Nearly 42 percent of non-white troops who responded to the survey said they have personally experienced examples of white nationalism in the military, versus about 18 percent of white service members.
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2017/10/23/military-times-poll-one-in-four-troops-sees-white-nationalism-in-the-ranks/


One in four? Damn that is high.
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Aristus

(66,388 posts)
2. My best buddy in the Army, who is Filipino, shared a barracks room with a
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 06:07 PM
Oct 2017

Confederate flag-waving, 'The South Will Rise Again' white supremacist. Surprisingly, they got along all right, although I suppose KKK-boy thought my buddy was "one of the good ones".

I used to sneak into their room when they were gone and post taunting anti-Confederate notes on the guy's flag. My buddy appreciated my show of support, and rebelhead never found out who was doing it.

underpants

(182,829 posts)
3. My experience ('90-93) was that there was clearly two different Army's
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 07:21 PM
Oct 2017

We got along and worked well together but after work we had almost nothing to do with one another. I found it quite odd. They had their hang outs and we had ours. We were almost completely middle class suburban kids.

We did have one guy who embraced being in Germany too much. I saw him at an Oktoberfest event with a neuvo swatiska t-shirt on. I was shocked but I stayed to make sure he didn't get into anything with the locals. This was a big no-no. Germany won the World Cup in 1990 (oh THAT was a night) but actually seeing German flags on display - on the back of cars - stood out. Germans follow directions well and any display of nationalism was rare.

Initech

(100,081 posts)
5. Rush Limbaugh is still on AFR after all these years. Why?
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 07:46 PM
Oct 2017

He serves no purpose other than to spew bile and garbage.

 

bathroommonkey76

(3,827 posts)
6. I thought the military cleaned it up after this happened in 2012
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 07:50 PM
Oct 2017

FAYETTEVILLE, N.C., Aug 21 (Reuters) - They call it “rahowa” - short for racial holy war - and they are preparing for it by joining the ranks of the world’s fiercest fighting machine, the U.S. military.

White supremacists, neo-Nazis and skinhead groups encourage followers to enlist in the Army and Marine Corps to acquire the skills to overthrow what some call the ZOG - the Zionist Occupation Government. Get in, get trained and get out to brace for the coming race war.

If this scenario seems like fantasy or bluster, civil rights organizations take it as deadly serious, especially given recent events. Former U.S. Army soldier Wade Page opened fire with a 9mm handgun at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin on Aug. 5, murdering six people and critically wounding three before killing himself during a shootout with police.

The U.S. Defense Department as well has stepped up efforts to purge violent racists from its ranks, earning praise from organizations such as the Southern Poverty Law Center, which has tracked and exposed hate groups since the 1970s.

Page, who was 40, was well known in the white supremacist music scene. In the early 2000s he told academic researcher Pete Simi that he became a neo-Nazi after joining the military in 1992. Fred Lucas, who served with him, said Page openly espoused his racist views until 1998, when he was demoted from sergeant to specialist, dis ch arged and barred from re-enlistment.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/21/us-army-white-supremacists_n_1815137.html

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
8. Not to start an interservice rivalry thing but this is much more an issue in the Army & Marine Corps
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 08:52 PM
Oct 2017

than the Navy and USAF.

Even then, there are pockets of this in the Army and Marines but it is still not the majority of service members.

Initech

(100,081 posts)
9. I'd be curious to know who they surveyed on this.
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 08:59 PM
Oct 2017

They couldn't have surveyed the entire military, it would be statistically impossible. And I doubt the sample size they obtained would be enough to cover the whole military.

erronis

(15,303 posts)
10. Just to counter a bit - one in four seeing examples amongst service members
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 08:59 PM
Oct 2017

Does not mean, in any way, that one in four service members are white nationalists.

Just from my limited knowledge of observations and statistics, one person being rather obnoxious and obvious about their feelings can lead to hundreds, if not thousands, of contacts.

Observing is not accepting.

Still, bad apples can rot a lot of others thrown together in the same basket. That's what the military is pretty good at.

Initech

(100,081 posts)
11. Yeah I'm curious to know who they sampled.
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 09:10 PM
Oct 2017

One base definitely can't be reflective of all of them.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
12. Excellent point and I agree. For one thing, there are a lot of minority NCOs and officers...
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 09:31 PM
Oct 2017

... and if they catch wind of people openly espousing racist rhetoric, they can make life hell for that person and likely get them thrown out so those who get away with it either are keeping it to themselves or they found their way to a reporting structure where a few folks feel like they do.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
13. Holy crapoli!!
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 09:37 PM
Oct 2017
Singling out white supremacist groups irritated some of the troops surveyed.

“White nationalism is not a terrorist organization,” wrote one Navy commander, who declined to give his name.

“You do realize white nationalists and racists are two totally different types of people?” wrote another anonymous Air Force staff sergeant.


I would be upset if it were just privates who said these things. COs saying this makes me think it's time to do some serious house cleaning in our military!

WhiteTara

(29,718 posts)
15. I can't find the supporting link
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 10:59 AM
Oct 2017

but read that only 50,000 ( or 5,000) were in the elite guard and they managed to round up and slaughter several million people. It's really critical that 25% of the force are white nationalists. Very scary indeed!

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