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morningfog

(18,115 posts)
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 12:39 PM Jul 2012

How long do you give Assad?

He seems to be on the fast track to being Bin-Ali-Mubarak-Gaddafi-ed. Members of his inner circle have defected and some have now been killed. His days are numbered but he is stubborn.

When will he go? How will he go? By escape, capture or assassination?

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Blue Meany

(1,947 posts)
1. The more important question is what comes after he leaves.
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 12:50 PM
Jul 2012

Given the geopolitical importance of Syria, along with its stockpile of chemcial weapons (yes, unlike Iraq, Syria really does have chemical weapons), outside powers--Iran, Israel, Russia, the US, Turkey, etc.--will no doubt be meddling and taking sides, fostering on-going conflict.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
12. Yep, we are looking at civil war and partition, or failed state.
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 03:14 PM
Jul 2012

Assad is just another piece in the game at this point.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
3. A lot longer than yesterday, when the regime changers claimed he had already fled.
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 12:57 PM
Jul 2012

That was timed for the benefit of the Russians and the Chinese vote at the UN, who didn't take the bait.

Assad's personal fate doesn't really matter, anyway, because the second the Ba'ath Party loses control over the Syrian Army, the Alawite (Sh'ia) minority know their collective gooses are cooked. Genocide. So, they'll keep fighting on for a long time.

This isn't just about one petty dictator - it's part of a long-running regional religious war that's being orchestrated by regional powers looking to expand their own realms, such as the Saudis, the Turks, Iran (and us, and the Israelis (quietly)). It's amazing how few Americans seem to understand the destabilizing effect that the dismemberment of Iraq and now Syria is having.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
4. It has reached that tipping point. It is a civil war and no one can predict the outcome
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 12:58 PM
Jul 2012

at this point.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
5. The outcome is a widening conflict. That much is already happening.
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 01:02 PM
Jul 2012

Leon Panetta is right. The situation has already become "uncontrollable".

pampango

(24,692 posts)
7. Like any dictator, he'll last as long as his military and security services follow his orders.
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 01:43 PM
Jul 2012

I give him 30 days, probably less.

Minority group rulers are always particularly vulnerable - like the white government in South Africa and Saddam in Iraq. The groups they represent know they retain power through force and terror and fear that as a minority they will suffer if and when representatives of the majority come to power.

Whites in South Africa were fortunate to reach a negotiated turnover of power to the black majority and that there was a leader like Nelson Mandela to negotiate with and to lead the transition. While they held on to power decades longer than justified, cooler heads eventually prevailed and they did not resist black majority rule to the bitter end of a violent fight to the finish.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
8. This will become a fight to the death, a sectarian civil war in full blossom.
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 01:50 PM
Jul 2012

I expect that Assad's forces will crank it up now. Many, many people will die. And nobody knows where it ends.

Xolodno

(6,395 posts)
9. Depends on...
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 02:06 PM
Jul 2012

...when the Russians and Chinese are willing to throw in the towel. Tunisia and Egypt, both Western backed dictators...gone. Libya...starting to appease the West...dead dictator.

Syria....Eastern backed dictator. They may try to prop him up for some time to show other dictators that if you go with them, you won't be abandoned like Western supported dictators.

pinto

(106,886 posts)
10. My guess: At some point he'll liquidate his assets, hide them out of country and flee for safe haven
Thu Jul 19, 2012, 02:11 PM
Jul 2012

Leaving his supporters to fend for themselves in the aftermath.

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