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When a culture produces this much sexual assault, its not an accident
This isn't just about Harvey Weinstein or Donald Trump.
Updated by Ezra Klein@ezraklein Oct 23, 2017, 2:20pm EDT
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Harvey Weinstein is now a big problem for Democrats, wrote CNNs Chris Cillizza. The Democrats cannot ignore their Harvey Weinstein problem, wrote the Weeks Ed Morrissey. Yes, Hillary and the Democrats Do Have a Harvey Weinstein Problem, wrote the Daily Beasts Keli Goff. Headlines like these were inescapable in the days after the Weinstein scandal broke. They are not wrong so much as they are incomplete. More than a dozen women have accused Donald Trump of sexual assault, telling stories that often mirror the stories told about Weinstein. Trump, of course, received advice and debate prep from the late Roger Ailes after Ailes left Fox News over a series of sexual harassment allegations.
Speaking of Fox News, over the weekend, the New York Times reported that Bill OReilly was still at the channel, after he settled a sexual harassment accusation for $32 million in total, hes now known to have settled about $45 million in sexual harassment accusations. Fox News signed him to a lucrative contract after that payout happened. So perhaps its really Republicans who have a Donald Trump problem, or a Fox News problem after all, Fox News and Donald Trump have had more influence over the GOP than Weinstein ever had over the Democrats.
But lets stop hiding behind these sorts of headlines. Its America that has the problem. Pick an industry and youll hear stories. Journalism is being rocked by an anonymous list of men who are said to abuse and harass women; BuzzFeed is investigating a number of its senior employees; and Voxs parent company, Vox Media, fired its editorial director after an investigation revealed misconduct. In Hollywood, there are now 38 women accusing director James Toback of sexual harassment. Rumors of sexual assault have spilled into the open about comedian Louis CK, actor Ben Affleck, and others.
Last week, the hashtag #MeToo took over social media. Virtually every woman I follow, on every social platform, no matter the industry or walk of life they came from, shared stories of harassment, abuse, and worse. I read searing tales from reporters and techies, chefs and yogis, civil servants and mountain climbers. There is a pervasiveness to sexual assault in America that defies the word problem. When a system creates an outcome this consistently, this predictably, in this many different spaces, you have to at least consider the possibility that the outcome is intended, that the system is working as designed.
Perhaps we need to do more than try to root out the worst abusers. Perhaps we need to rethink our sexual culture too.
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https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/10/23/16517948/sexual-assault-america-weinstein-trump
LisaM
(27,832 posts)some of the taboos against women coming forth and telling their stories.
Seeing that many women marching together (and walking with them) had a powerful affect on me, and I don't know that it's a huge coincidence that there is a tidal wave of personal stories coming out after this travesty of an election, where a sexual predator was elected right in front of our eyes and it seemed that a lot of men just yawned (of course, now we know why, they didn't want their own tales to be told).
I'm calling it the Hillary Effect.
niyad
(113,576 posts)LisaM
(27,832 posts)once you get to some sort of critical mass, things will actually shift.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)catalyst. So many women are seeing their own abuse played out on national television and in the highest offices in the land and are finally saying "enough!"
DURHAM D
(32,611 posts)I was 17. He was over 50. Disgusting. Told my Dad. He took care of it.
niyad
(113,576 posts)I think we are still only seeing the tip of the iceberg with #MeToo . I keep hoping that the "sunlight is the best disinfectant" truism applies here as well.
DURHAM D
(32,611 posts)The worst work environment for young women is the fast food industry. There is absolutely nothing to stand between the girls/women and a manager who does the work schedules. They have to acquiesce or leave but if their next job is at another McDonald's it will happen again.
ProfessorGAC
(65,191 posts)50 and 17. That's almost a difference big enough that he could have had grandchildren the same age as you!
That's pretty disturbed behavior.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,043 posts)Republicons elected Donald Trump.
Weinstein did not run for anybody. Trying to tar the Democrats because of a donor's money is hypocritical when Republicans excuse and ignore Donald Trump.
Donald Trump admitted on tape that he is a sex abuser and sexual assaulter and sexual predator.
But to the article's main point, yes, the culture has a problem.
niyad
(113,576 posts)Hamlette
(15,412 posts)because dems dropped him like a hot potato and they kept Trump and the Weinstein story reminds people of Trump's crimes.
It really is a GOP problem but they don't care. Weiner sent pictures of his covered dick to people and he'll never see the light of day but Republicans vote them back in office (Vitter) or keep them on the payroll (Bill O) or speak of them wistfully (I admit I do that with Weiner but only in the sense that what he did was stupid, GOPers want to forgive.)
While I admit dems are often guilty of misconduct, assault even, I think it is the GOP that keeps the culture alive. They don't exactly protect women's rights and never have.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Ligyron
(7,639 posts)Most are at least as bad as the US ... and many are quite a bit worse. Practically an institution in certain parts of the middle east.
Saviolo
(3,283 posts)It's not a Hollywood problem or a liberal problem or a conservative problem.
It's a men problem:
mythology
(9,527 posts)Some places in the Middle East requiem women to be fully covered.
Pretending it's just our culture won't fix the problem.
I'm lucky in that while my biological dad treats women like second class citizens (not that he treats anybody else particularly well), I had both my mom after the divorce and my maternal grandmother to make sure I didn't turn out like my dad.
TygrBright
(20,767 posts)Marthe48
(17,027 posts)Rape isn't new. Like racism isn't new. Just out of the news.
ismnotwasm
(42,014 posts)And there are a lot of us burning with we told you, we fucking told you so especially to the lighten up assholes who think this is now a political gravy train instead of the stark reality of womens lives.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)This is a festering problem that's harmed half the world's population for thousands of years. It's called Patriarchy.
It's finally coming out in a new way, standing politically, IMO, on the shoulders of BLM and LGBQ fights to demand justice.
Phentex
(16,334 posts)and it's about time.
HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)It's a sort of "porn/rape culture," in which the objectification of all women, in all settings, is normalized. Sex is the great seller and entertainer. I think that is something that is made worse by the Internet and the constant availability of such materials. Once a person is objectified, they are no longer seen as independent human beings with the same rights as the objectifier. It also degrades our ability to sympathize with the objectified individual.
By saying this, I am not intending in any way to blame the victims. I am not passing judgment on all sexy materials or porn, although much of it has always portrayed objectifying sexual behavior.
I believe we need to teach both men and women that sex, like everything else in life, has an appropriate time and place and that it is wrong to speak of, treat, or see any human being as an object.
That doesn't make sex dirty, two consenting adults can do whatever they want, but men need to be taught that women should not be harmed, not have things done to them that they don't want, and be treated with respect in every single situation. I don't know that is happening anymore.
Ligyron
(7,639 posts)and women loved that book/movie.
Skittles
(153,193 posts)pure drivel
raccoon
(31,126 posts)It never was, in many cases. The only thing different now is people are talking about it.
For millennia it was just swept up under the rug.
HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)But now as we decry it with our words, our culture and society implicitly encourages it with a tsunami of objectification.
randr
(12,415 posts)and there is no sexual transgression.
spanone
(135,880 posts)weinstein was a democratic donor....ailes was working in the trump camp