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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,716 posts)
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 01:28 PM Oct 2017

**BREAKING** Talking Points Brought to Trump Tower Meeting Were Shared With Kremlin




Natalia V. Veselnitskaya arrived at a meeting at Trump Tower in June 2016 hoping to interest top Trump campaign officials in the contents of a memo she believed contained information damaging to the Democratic Party and, by extension, Hillary Clinton. The material was the fruit of her research as a private lawyer, she has repeatedly said, and any suggestion that she was acting at the Kremlin’s behest that day is anti-Russia “hysteria.”

But interviews and records show that in the months before the meeting, Ms. Veselnitskaya had discussed the allegations with one of Russia’s most powerful officials, the prosecutor general, Yuri Y. Chaika. And the memo she brought with her closely followed a document that Mr. Chaika’s office had given to an American congressman two months earlier, incorporating some paragraphs verbatim.

The coordination between the Trump Tower visitor and the Russian prosecutor general undercuts Ms. Veselnitskaya’s account that she was a purely independent actor when she sat down with Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law, and Paul J. Manafort, then the Trump campaign chairman. It also suggests that emails from an intermediary to the younger Mr. Trump promising that Ms. Veselnitskaya would arrive with information from Russian prosecutors were rooted at least partly in fact — not mere “puffery,” as the president’s son later said.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/27/us/politics/trump-tower-veselnitskaya-russia.html



This explains why the Deplorables are trying to distract us with talk about uranium deals and the provenance of the Steele dossier.
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**BREAKING** Talking Points Brought to Trump Tower Meeting Were Shared With Kremlin (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2017 OP
The 2016 election was a scam and a fraud. madaboutharry Oct 2017 #1
Absolutely.... FarPoint Oct 2017 #2
Good questions!! The MSM should be all over this, instead of falling for diversions. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #7
Unfortunately NewJeffCT Oct 2017 #15
I accept the Reputin Party's dare... lagomorph777 Oct 2017 #41
2016 saw a HUGE increase in REGISTERED voters over 2012 NewJeffCT Oct 2017 #43
We're going to need a strong liberal message from Dems, or people will stay home. lagomorph777 Oct 2017 #44
it's keeping them registered, and making sure they are not blocked at the polls. mopinko Oct 2017 #47
Since Trump is the master of projection NewJeffCT Oct 2017 #51
yeah, i wonder about that, too. mopinko Oct 2017 #52
Exactly..... usaf-vet Oct 2017 #61
My gut feeling too.... FarPoint Oct 2017 #63
Yep triron Oct 2017 #5
This is a major deal Gothmog Oct 2017 #3
The Deplorables are throwing up a lot of pixie dust about uranium and dossiers. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2017 #6
Yep. JHan Oct 2017 #17
No, it's a Nothingburger. BigmanPigman Oct 2017 #34
It's amazing really. Turbineguy Oct 2017 #4
This. CrispyQ Oct 2017 #9
I don't know. Turbineguy Oct 2017 #24
Gorsuck is an INjustice. lagomorph777 Oct 2017 #42
The number of assets the Russians are burning is mind boggling. nocalflea Oct 2017 #12
In the grand scheme of things Turbineguy Oct 2017 #23
Amen ! nocalflea Oct 2017 #39
republicans have stained themselves as Useful & Useless Idiots Achilleaze Oct 2017 #38
I'm shocked. Just SHOCKED, I tell you. GoCubsGo Oct 2017 #8
I am just "SHOCKED," to see that there is gambling going on here..... Stuart G Oct 2017 #16
RWers are howling that the real Iliyah Oct 2017 #10
I thought that it was "commonly accepted" that there was no collusion? NT Bleacher Creature Oct 2017 #11
What's the significance of this ? OnDoutside Oct 2017 #13
This news is what the "ass**les were trying to cover up..This one actually Stuart G Oct 2017 #14
Dont Forget McConnell Quashed Obamas Efforts to Make this Public Ccarmona Oct 2017 #18
Old Trutle boy....great one....yes, maybe he will get some scrutiny this time...we will see...nt Stuart G Oct 2017 #19
McConnell "Quashed" Obama's efforts to make this public? red dog 1 Oct 2017 #46
I always thought McConnell threatened to make as much hay as possible if Obama went public LiberalLovinLug Oct 2017 #59
I agree...the Dems should have been talking about the Russian interference in the campaign red dog 1 Oct 2017 #62
"Mr. Chaikas office had given to an American congressman" who?!?!?!? uponit7771 Oct 2017 #20
I'd be willing to put seriously good money on Dana Rohrabacher. Initech Oct 2017 #22
Yep, fuckin traitor uponit7771 Oct 2017 #26
Scary stuff. The U.S. was hijacked. C Moon Oct 2017 #21
I think that war is going to be the only way out of this. Initech Oct 2017 #25
Maybe even another civil war. C Moon Oct 2017 #29
We kicked their asses before. We'll do it again. Initech Oct 2017 #40
that war? Which do you mean? I dont disagree but do you mean civil or what? Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #30
I really do feel like we're on the course toward a second civil war. Initech Oct 2017 #33
Yes, and how short sighted of the Mercer's and Koch bros. Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #50
The Heritage Foundation is a terrorist organization. Initech Oct 2017 #54
And yet ACA was their idea. THAT is how far down the hate hole the right has fallen that Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #56
In a perfect world, those traitors SonofDonald Oct 2017 #60
If this was Hillary that did this there is not a GALAXY far enough away for her to hide in. Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #27
+100,000,000 C Moon Oct 2017 #31
But, but, but..... SergeStorms Oct 2017 #28
And that's why the new FCC is easing up on mergers and buyouts. C Moon Oct 2017 #32
Unsavory Trussian-republican TreasonWeasels betraying American democracy Achilleaze Oct 2017 #35
I have become jaded beyond repair when it comes to Trump, Russia and justice Mr. Ected Oct 2017 #36
I remember reading a few months back that SonofDonald Oct 2017 #58
wow! more & more pieces of the puzzle! Madam45for2923 Oct 2017 #37
Well this certainly explains the uptick in Hillary attacking again nini Oct 2017 #45
Natasha Bertrand reported this story 2 weeks ago in Business Insider DesertRat Oct 2017 #48
I'd like to know which American Congressman received the document from Chaika 2 months earlie red dog 1 Oct 2017 #49
This is hte only JustAnotherGen Oct 2017 #53
From DUer fleur-de-lisa Botany Oct 2017 #55
The GOP (Grand Old Pricks) will do anything to win.......... BlueJac Oct 2017 #57
No! Really?? workinclasszero Oct 2017 #64
Uh oh.... Pachamama Oct 2017 #65
republican family values role model & Komplicit Komrade rob goldstone should get credit Achilleaze Oct 2017 #66
K & R for exposure. SunSeeker Oct 2017 #67

madaboutharry

(40,231 posts)
1. The 2016 election was a scam and a fraud.
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 01:31 PM
Oct 2017

It was a tainted election. I don't see anyway of seeing it differently.

FarPoint

(12,457 posts)
2. Absolutely....
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 01:34 PM
Oct 2017

That said..... will the truth be exposed and acknowledged by America?....Or, shall America be lied to successfully and remain in denial?.... Denial like Incest Level Denial.

NewJeffCT

(56,829 posts)
15. Unfortunately
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 02:20 PM
Oct 2017

I think most Americans will realize this is true, but the Republican-led Congress will do jack shit about it and dare us to vote them out of office.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
41. I accept the Reputin Party's dare...
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 03:29 PM
Oct 2017

Let's make sure everybody we know is registered. If you are, or know, people of color, make sure everybody has 12 forms of government issued photo ID, passports, birth certificates, DNA sample, iris prints...

NewJeffCT

(56,829 posts)
43. 2016 saw a HUGE increase in REGISTERED voters over 2012
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 03:34 PM
Oct 2017

it went from somewhere around 150 million registered in 2012 to around 200 million in 2016. However, actual votes cast only went up a very small amount over 2012.

So, it's not just getting people registered - it's getting them out to the polls.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
44. We're going to need a strong liberal message from Dems, or people will stay home.
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 03:37 PM
Oct 2017

More Reputin-Lite will not get them out of bed. Even if the bed is burning.

mopinko

(70,265 posts)
47. it's keeping them registered, and making sure they are not blocked at the polls.
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 03:42 PM
Oct 2017

a number i wish someone would find is the number of uncounted provisional ballots. easily dumped for petty errors, or just because.
could they have swayed the election? we will prolly never know.

NewJeffCT

(56,829 posts)
51. Since Trump is the master of projection
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 03:56 PM
Oct 2017

I am still wondering if the "Millions of Illegal Votes" he's whined about so many times were really hacked voting machines that flipped votes to Trump from Clinton or from Clinton to Stein/Johnson?

usaf-vet

(6,215 posts)
61. Exactly.....
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 05:29 PM
Oct 2017

If GOTV programs gets 100,000 new voters to the polls great..... BUT if the Russians and the Wisconsin GOP manipulate the results. What is the point. 100,000+2% (Russian/WIGOP 'votes') still wins. 1,000,000+2% (Russian/WIGOP 'votes') still wins. 10,000,000 new national voters + 2%.... well you get the point.

Turbineguy

(37,372 posts)
4. It's amazing really.
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 01:37 PM
Oct 2017

Even if all this gets sorted out and people go to jail, the Russians still pulled it off and put their boy in the White House. Nobody can take that away from them.

It has to go down in history as the Greatest Intel Op of all time!

As for the Deplorables, they can be proud of being the Greatest Useful Idiots of all time.

CrispyQ

(36,534 posts)
9. This.
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 01:41 PM
Oct 2017

And even if the Con goes down or resigns, Gorsuch is there to stay. I don't know if the country can survive a second con nom.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
42. Gorsuck is an INjustice.
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 03:31 PM
Oct 2017

If the plot is as big as it appears, he is probably implicated, and has been planted as a backstop against various legal scenarios against Pres. Turd. This can be found out, and Gorsuck would then be vulnerable to impeachment.

nocalflea

(1,387 posts)
12. The number of assets the Russians are burning is mind boggling.
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 02:12 PM
Oct 2017

The FBI counterintel division must be insanely busy.

Too bad for the Russians that they picked a f**king moron to install as POTUS. Otherwise, yeah, impressive op.

nocalflea

(1,387 posts)
39. Amen !
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 03:23 PM
Oct 2017

The question worrying me is :

Who was Putin's backup candidate ?

He didn't go to all this trouble not to have one.

GoCubsGo

(32,096 posts)
8. I'm shocked. Just SHOCKED, I tell you.
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 01:40 PM
Oct 2017

Still waiting on something that will actually surprise me about these assholes. I doubt that will happen, as nothing they do shocks me anymore. Not a thing.

Stuart G

(38,449 posts)
16. I am just "SHOCKED," to see that there is gambling going on here.....
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 02:22 PM
Oct 2017

Here are you winnings sir......oops.,....wrong show..sorry.....my comment....

You are correct, they will do anything and everything to keep and extend their power.

anything and everything here it is...for those who remember..., enjoy



Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
10. RWers are howling that the real
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 01:45 PM
Oct 2017

evil person is HRC, bigly. Now they are saying also Dems. These people are freaking out.

Stuart G

(38,449 posts)
14. This news is what the "ass**les were trying to cover up..This one actually
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 02:18 PM
Oct 2017

proves there was help from Russia to Trump's campaign.. "Coordination between the Trump Tower visitor, and Russian prosecutor general......."............oops...............???
How can that be?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????isn't that "illegal?"

Trump today said....nothing is happening with the Russian investigation..........It is all

Hillary and her involvement......and......................................................

Trump would never never and never........tell a lie.???.........oh my??? how can that be??

My oh My...this is illegal? isn't it???? This is why the ass**les have been going after Hillary lately..again..

bUT......IF TRUE..."THIS IS ILLEGAL, AGAINST THE LAW,"

..................... END OF STATEMENT .........................................OOPS.. mr trump jr...you are in trouble..
but he knows that...deep do,do...deep manure,...deep, deep shit...ok????

 

Ccarmona

(1,180 posts)
18. Dont Forget McConnell Quashed Obamas Efforts to Make this Public
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 02:27 PM
Oct 2017

Old Turtle boy is in the middle of this, but somehow, he escapes scrutiny for his roll in insisting that Obama not go public with ANY information about Russian interference. Who was he trying to protect?

red dog 1

(27,872 posts)
46. McConnell "Quashed" Obama's efforts to make this public?
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 03:41 PM
Oct 2017

"insisting that Obama not go public with ANY information about Russian interference"?

President Obama could have easily gone public with any information about Russian interference.

The Turtle couldn't "quash" anything Obama wanted to do.
He controls the Senate...period!
He has absolutely no control over the Executive Branch.
He can't "insist" on the President doing ANYTHING.

This was Obama's call (not to go public)..not McConnell's.

And don't forget that even after the election, but before the Electoral College met to install Trump as POTUS, at least 50 Electors asked to be briefed on whatever intelligence there was regarding possible Russian interference in the 2016 elections, and Obama said "NO"

Why didn't he at least allow the Electors to be briefed?
Even if it would have involved "sensitive" or "Top Secret" intelligence gathering methods that he didn't want the American public to know..he could have allowed the Electors to be briefed, couldn't he?
They wrote and ASKED to be briefed on the Russian interference, but Obama said "no"
(not McConnell)

LiberalLovinLug

(14,178 posts)
59. I always thought McConnell threatened to make as much hay as possible if Obama went public
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 04:45 PM
Oct 2017

How Obama, the President, was trying to influence the election. That he assured Obama that himself, and RW hate radio, and Fox News, would be 24/7 screaming at their audience how the Dems, including the President himself, were attempting to push some unproven accusations about Trump and Russia to affect the election.

So Obama, along with the DNC, and Hillary's campaign no doubt, decided that it wasn't worth it to tell the public even if it was true. So technically you are right, he made the decision, but it was only because the took Mitch's threat seriously, and did not want to upend the applecart when Hillary was cruising to victory. And I assume the plans were to look into it after Hillary was safely in office. It was a big gamble that never paid off. In hindsight, the Dems should have started to talk and talk loudly about this a full year before the election.

red dog 1

(27,872 posts)
62. I agree...the Dems should have been talking about the Russian interference in the campaign
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 05:49 PM
Oct 2017

as soon as the Intelligence community started reporting it.

In fact, it was an "attack" on the American democratic process itself, and should have been treated as such, regardless of the threats made by GOP leaders.

I wonder why President Obama didn't call for a massive recount after the election, even if it meant that the DNC and the Clinton campaign (which had money) would pay for recounts in key states such as Florida, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Ohio.

Initech

(100,107 posts)
22. I'd be willing to put seriously good money on Dana Rohrabacher.
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 02:36 PM
Oct 2017

After all, he did earn the nickname "Putin's favorite Congressman".

C Moon

(12,221 posts)
21. Scary stuff. The U.S. was hijacked.
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 02:35 PM
Oct 2017

This isn't going to be easy to overcome. I sure hope SOME of those GOPutin's get some love for this country—over money and power. But that's asking a lot from a GOP person.

Initech

(100,107 posts)
25. I think that war is going to be the only way out of this.
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 02:38 PM
Oct 2017

It sure seems that we're headed that way. This whole Russia thing might be the powder keg that sets it off.

Initech

(100,107 posts)
33. I really do feel like we're on the course toward a second civil war.
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 02:50 PM
Oct 2017

If not now, it will happen in the next decade. The GOP is out of control, and they're only getting worse. And now they have a new generation of the Hitler Youth to do their every evil bidding. We are headed for seriously dark times ahead.

Initech

(100,107 posts)
54. The Heritage Foundation is a terrorist organization.
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 04:02 PM
Oct 2017

They really have the same goals as Osama bin Laden did. Only difference is they're getting it done much quicker than he did.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,125 posts)
56. And yet ACA was their idea. THAT is how far down the hate hole the right has fallen that
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 04:09 PM
Oct 2017

they wont even listen to their own masters of hate.

SonofDonald

(2,050 posts)
60. In a perfect world, those traitors
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 04:45 PM
Oct 2017

Stone, bannon, huckleberry, all the rest of the trump syncophants in Washington and that blonde thing that looks like the crypt keeper, jr, treason Barbie and her failing real estate speculator husband, the weird looking kid and the rest.

Would be tarred and feathered before being delivered to a Mexican jail.

Where they would know just how to treat them, PRICELESS.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,125 posts)
27. If this was Hillary that did this there is not a GALAXY far enough away for her to hide in.
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 02:41 PM
Oct 2017

The deplorables would find her, overpower her Secret Service, etc.

But if a republican does it they dont even notice.

BY DEFINITION this makes them NOT patriotic.

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
28. But, but, but.....
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 02:41 PM
Oct 2017

both Jared and Donnie Jr. assured us this meeting (that they weren't even at, well, OK they were there but no one else was, well OK, there were 2 other people, OK 4 other peop.....OK 6 other people and it was about damning information about Crooked Hillary, so that makes everything Kosher) was about adopting Russian children! Do they mean they were..........LYING?

Republicans lying to the American people? Republicans colluding with a hostile foreign government? What is this world coming to?

Business as usual for the GOP. They trusted the most stupid criminal family in America though, so everything is falling apart. TOO BAD!

The GOP, the GOP, the GOP is on fire..........we don't need no water let the mother-fuckers burn!

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
36. I have become jaded beyond repair when it comes to Trump, Russia and justice
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 03:16 PM
Oct 2017

However, I sincerely believe that Bob Mueller will drop the hammer on dozens upon dozens of criminals on both sides of the aisle, but primarily on the GOP side. The Republicans are trying to win the media battle by poisoning the minds and opinions of the population with their misdirection and deflection. Luckily the American people are not going to be called to the jury box in this case.

Bob Mueller, the very dignity of our nation rests in your hands. You seem to be the most competent man on the planet to handle such a momentous task. Godspeed, sir.

SonofDonald

(2,050 posts)
58. I remember reading a few months back that
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 04:34 PM
Oct 2017

There were going to be a few dozen traitors going down for this disgusting treason, I don't care which side they're on, if you screwed over the American people for money you need to go to the GrayBar motel for a couple decades.

Or more.

 

Madam45for2923

(7,178 posts)
37. wow! more & more pieces of the puzzle!
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 03:17 PM
Oct 2017

**BREAKING** Talking Points Brought to Trump Tower Meeting Were Shared With Kremlin

nini

(16,672 posts)
45. Well this certainly explains the uptick in Hillary attacking again
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 03:37 PM
Oct 2017

This GOP congress are all complicit as they sit on their hands and let our democracy be destroyed. I hate every one of them.

Botany

(70,600 posts)
55. From DUer fleur-de-lisa
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 04:06 PM
Oct 2017

Tea Pain @TeaPainUSA
1. No contact with Russia
2. Contact but no collusion
3. Collusion but I didn't know
4. Hillary did it!

BlueJac

(7,838 posts)
57. The GOP (Grand Old Pricks) will do anything to win..........
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 04:31 PM
Oct 2017

and stack the court with their crazy judges. This country has fallen so far since tRump decided to run for President.

A madman with the nuclear codes!

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
66. republican family values role model & Komplicit Komrade rob goldstone should get credit
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 09:59 AM
Oct 2017

for the role he played in helping republicans betray America.

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