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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums**BREAKING** Talking Points Brought to Trump Tower Meeting Were Shared With Kremlin
But interviews and records show that in the months before the meeting, Ms. Veselnitskaya had discussed the allegations with one of Russias most powerful officials, the prosecutor general, Yuri Y. Chaika. And the memo she brought with her closely followed a document that Mr. Chaikas office had given to an American congressman two months earlier, incorporating some paragraphs verbatim.
The coordination between the Trump Tower visitor and the Russian prosecutor general undercuts Ms. Veselnitskayas account that she was a purely independent actor when she sat down with Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, the presidents son-in-law, and Paul J. Manafort, then the Trump campaign chairman. It also suggests that emails from an intermediary to the younger Mr. Trump promising that Ms. Veselnitskaya would arrive with information from Russian prosecutors were rooted at least partly in fact not mere puffery, as the presidents son later said.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/27/us/politics/trump-tower-veselnitskaya-russia.html
This explains why the Deplorables are trying to distract us with talk about uranium deals and the provenance of the Steele dossier.
madaboutharry
(40,231 posts)It was a tainted election. I don't see anyway of seeing it differently.
FarPoint
(12,457 posts)That said..... will the truth be exposed and acknowledged by America?....Or, shall America be lied to successfully and remain in denial?.... Denial like Incest Level Denial.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)I think most Americans will realize this is true, but the Republican-led Congress will do jack shit about it and dare us to vote them out of office.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Let's make sure everybody we know is registered. If you are, or know, people of color, make sure everybody has 12 forms of government issued photo ID, passports, birth certificates, DNA sample, iris prints...
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)it went from somewhere around 150 million registered in 2012 to around 200 million in 2016. However, actual votes cast only went up a very small amount over 2012.
So, it's not just getting people registered - it's getting them out to the polls.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)More Reputin-Lite will not get them out of bed. Even if the bed is burning.
mopinko
(70,265 posts)a number i wish someone would find is the number of uncounted provisional ballots. easily dumped for petty errors, or just because.
could they have swayed the election? we will prolly never know.
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)I am still wondering if the "Millions of Illegal Votes" he's whined about so many times were really hacked voting machines that flipped votes to Trump from Clinton or from Clinton to Stein/Johnson?
mopinko
(70,265 posts)usaf-vet
(6,215 posts)If GOTV programs gets 100,000 new voters to the polls great..... BUT if the Russians and the Wisconsin GOP manipulate the results. What is the point. 100,000+2% (Russian/WIGOP 'votes') still wins. 1,000,000+2% (Russian/WIGOP 'votes') still wins. 10,000,000 new national voters + 2%.... well you get the point.
FarPoint
(12,457 posts)When will this Alternate Universe switch back?
Gothmog
(145,635 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,716 posts)JHan
(10,173 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,638 posts)Turbineguy
(37,372 posts)Even if all this gets sorted out and people go to jail, the Russians still pulled it off and put their boy in the White House. Nobody can take that away from them.
It has to go down in history as the Greatest Intel Op of all time!
As for the Deplorables, they can be proud of being the Greatest Useful Idiots of all time.
And even if the Con goes down or resigns, Gorsuch is there to stay. I don't know if the country can survive a second con nom.
Turbineguy
(37,372 posts)He was put there by a fake president.
That sort of makes him a fake justice.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)If the plot is as big as it appears, he is probably implicated, and has been planted as a backstop against various legal scenarios against Pres. Turd. This can be found out, and Gorsuck would then be vulnerable to impeachment.
nocalflea
(1,387 posts)The FBI counterintel division must be insanely busy.
Too bad for the Russians that they picked a f**king moron to install as POTUS. Otherwise, yeah, impressive op.
Turbineguy
(37,372 posts)Putin would have been better off with Hilary Clinton.
nocalflea
(1,387 posts)The question worrying me is :
Who was Putin's backup candidate ?
He didn't go to all this trouble not to have one.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)GoCubsGo
(32,096 posts)Still waiting on something that will actually surprise me about these assholes. I doubt that will happen, as nothing they do shocks me anymore. Not a thing.
Stuart G
(38,449 posts)Here are you winnings sir......oops.,....wrong show..sorry.....my comment....
You are correct, they will do anything and everything to keep and extend their power.
anything and everything here it is...for those who remember..., enjoy
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)evil person is HRC, bigly. Now they are saying also Dems. These people are freaking out.
Bleacher Creature
(11,258 posts)OnDoutside
(19,977 posts)Stuart G
(38,449 posts)proves there was help from Russia to Trump's campaign.. "Coordination between the Trump Tower visitor, and Russian prosecutor general......."............oops...............???
How can that be?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????isn't that "illegal?"
Trump today said....nothing is happening with the Russian investigation..........It is all
Hillary and her involvement......and......................................................
Trump would never never and never........tell a lie.???.........oh my??? how can that be??
My oh My...this is illegal? isn't it???? This is why the ass**les have been going after Hillary lately..again..
bUT......IF TRUE..."THIS IS ILLEGAL, AGAINST THE LAW,"
..................... END OF STATEMENT .........................................OOPS.. mr trump jr...you are in trouble..
but he knows that...deep do,do...deep manure,...deep, deep shit...ok????
Ccarmona
(1,180 posts)Old Turtle boy is in the middle of this, but somehow, he escapes scrutiny for his roll in insisting that Obama not go public with ANY information about Russian interference. Who was he trying to protect?
Stuart G
(38,449 posts)red dog 1
(27,872 posts)"insisting that Obama not go public with ANY information about Russian interference"?
President Obama could have easily gone public with any information about Russian interference.
The Turtle couldn't "quash" anything Obama wanted to do.
He controls the Senate...period!
He has absolutely no control over the Executive Branch.
He can't "insist" on the President doing ANYTHING.
This was Obama's call (not to go public)..not McConnell's.
And don't forget that even after the election, but before the Electoral College met to install Trump as POTUS, at least 50 Electors asked to be briefed on whatever intelligence there was regarding possible Russian interference in the 2016 elections, and Obama said "NO"
Why didn't he at least allow the Electors to be briefed?
Even if it would have involved "sensitive" or "Top Secret" intelligence gathering methods that he didn't want the American public to know..he could have allowed the Electors to be briefed, couldn't he?
They wrote and ASKED to be briefed on the Russian interference, but Obama said "no"
(not McConnell)
LiberalLovinLug
(14,178 posts)How Obama, the President, was trying to influence the election. That he assured Obama that himself, and RW hate radio, and Fox News, would be 24/7 screaming at their audience how the Dems, including the President himself, were attempting to push some unproven accusations about Trump and Russia to affect the election.
So Obama, along with the DNC, and Hillary's campaign no doubt, decided that it wasn't worth it to tell the public even if it was true. So technically you are right, he made the decision, but it was only because the took Mitch's threat seriously, and did not want to upend the applecart when Hillary was cruising to victory. And I assume the plans were to look into it after Hillary was safely in office. It was a big gamble that never paid off. In hindsight, the Dems should have started to talk and talk loudly about this a full year before the election.
red dog 1
(27,872 posts)as soon as the Intelligence community started reporting it.
In fact, it was an "attack" on the American democratic process itself, and should have been treated as such, regardless of the threats made by GOP leaders.
I wonder why President Obama didn't call for a massive recount after the election, even if it meant that the DNC and the Clinton campaign (which had money) would pay for recounts in key states such as Florida, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Ohio.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)Initech
(100,107 posts)After all, he did earn the nickname "Putin's favorite Congressman".
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)C Moon
(12,221 posts)This isn't going to be easy to overcome. I sure hope SOME of those GOPutin's get some love for this countryover money and power. But that's asking a lot from a GOP person.
Initech
(100,107 posts)It sure seems that we're headed that way. This whole Russia thing might be the powder keg that sets it off.
C Moon
(12,221 posts)Initech
(100,107 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,125 posts)Initech
(100,107 posts)If not now, it will happen in the next decade. The GOP is out of control, and they're only getting worse. And now they have a new generation of the Hitler Youth to do their every evil bidding. We are headed for seriously dark times ahead.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,125 posts)Do they expect us to leave them out of it?
Initech
(100,107 posts)They really have the same goals as Osama bin Laden did. Only difference is they're getting it done much quicker than he did.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,125 posts)they wont even listen to their own masters of hate.
SonofDonald
(2,050 posts)Stone, bannon, huckleberry, all the rest of the trump syncophants in Washington and that blonde thing that looks like the crypt keeper, jr, treason Barbie and her failing real estate speculator husband, the weird looking kid and the rest.
Would be tarred and feathered before being delivered to a Mexican jail.
Where they would know just how to treat them, PRICELESS.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,125 posts)The deplorables would find her, overpower her Secret Service, etc.
But if a republican does it they dont even notice.
BY DEFINITION this makes them NOT patriotic.
C Moon
(12,221 posts)SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)both Jared and Donnie Jr. assured us this meeting (that they weren't even at, well, OK they were there but no one else was, well OK, there were 2 other people, OK 4 other peop.....OK 6 other people and it was about damning information about Crooked Hillary, so that makes everything Kosher) was about adopting Russian children! Do they mean they were..........LYING?
Republicans lying to the American people? Republicans colluding with a hostile foreign government? What is this world coming to?
Business as usual for the GOP. They trusted the most stupid criminal family in America though, so everything is falling apart. TOO BAD!
The GOP, the GOP, the GOP is on fire..........we don't need no water let the mother-fuckers burn!
C Moon
(12,221 posts)Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)sucks endlessly...
Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)However, I sincerely believe that Bob Mueller will drop the hammer on dozens upon dozens of criminals on both sides of the aisle, but primarily on the GOP side. The Republicans are trying to win the media battle by poisoning the minds and opinions of the population with their misdirection and deflection. Luckily the American people are not going to be called to the jury box in this case.
Bob Mueller, the very dignity of our nation rests in your hands. You seem to be the most competent man on the planet to handle such a momentous task. Godspeed, sir.
SonofDonald
(2,050 posts)There were going to be a few dozen traitors going down for this disgusting treason, I don't care which side they're on, if you screwed over the American people for money you need to go to the GrayBar motel for a couple decades.
Or more.
Madam45for2923
(7,178 posts)**BREAKING** Talking Points Brought to Trump Tower Meeting Were Shared With Kremlin
nini
(16,672 posts)This GOP congress are all complicit as they sit on their hands and let our democracy be destroyed. I hate every one of them.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)The NY Times should credit her.
http://www.businessinsider.com/veselnitskaya-memo-trump-tower-russia-meeting-2017-10
red dog 1
(27,872 posts)K&R
JustAnotherGen
(31,931 posts)Good news I've read today.
Botany
(70,600 posts)Tea Pain @TeaPainUSA
1. No contact with Russia
2. Contact but no collusion
3. Collusion but I didn't know
4. Hillary did it!
BlueJac
(7,838 posts)and stack the court with their crazy judges. This country has fallen so far since tRump decided to run for President.
A madman with the nuclear codes!
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Pachamama
(16,887 posts)This is not good news for the participants of the meeting at Trump Tower and Ms. Veselnitskaya
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)for the role he played in helping republicans betray America.