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lindysalsagal

(20,686 posts)
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 08:33 PM Oct 2017

IMHO: The dems and gop parties are ignoring their independents: at their own peril

I sometimes watch Smerconish because I try to get outside the librul bubble and balance my information, if
for no other reason than to know how the messages are being catapulted. Smerconish is maybe the only thinking republican, more like the party was perhaps in the 60's and 70's: i.e.: more honest and responsible, and reality-based.

He's promoting an idea to start an independent party, recognizing that the dems have independents, too. Here's the link:

http://www.smerconish.com/
Comment to GOP Leadership: Don't quit, run as independents
GOP reps who have decided not to run for re-election because of Trump's effect on the party should instead consider running as independents. Source: CNN

Not saying I agree or not, but there is something happening here to both parties: They pay be part of their own problems.

I've read this here on du since the election: It goes with some of Bernie's ideas and those of his supporters.

The gop is starting to appear to be saving itself from the tea baggers. Now, they're called freedom blah blah blah. Whatever. They're the lunatic fringe: The racists/haters/resenters/deplorables/uninformed/extreemists/flat-earthers/birthers/wall supporters, etc.

But it makes me think: Is the dem party suffering from the same extreemism? I don't mean we should change policies on choice or civil liberties, guns, etc. But sometimes I wonder if there is a way to bring the independent vote into our bigger tent. His name was Barack Obama. But we need a new way.

Could there be a way to make our party more inclusive without sacrificing principles? Are these purity tests weakening both groups?

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wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
1. The midterms are really local elections. The Senator from West Virginia would not win in CA.
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 08:37 PM
Oct 2017

The opposite is true. I don't get the Dems are ignoring this or the Dems are ignoring that.

Just get out the vote for your local Dems and ignore all this noise. It is just there to get ratings

RDANGELO

(3,433 posts)
2. We need to keep in mind that at least 30% of the electorate are independent.
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 08:51 PM
Oct 2017

Most of them want to see the parties work together to get things done. They don't understand that the ideologies are so disparate that it is hard to do that. Right now, I think the fact that their are only two major parties helps the republican extreme right because it keeps turnout down.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
11. The vast majority of "independents" are very partisan.
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 10:38 PM
Oct 2017

In fact, studies make it clear that most "independents" are more partisan than your average party-affiliated voter from decades past. Simply put, people just like referring to themselves as "independent."

lindysalsagal

(20,686 posts)
4. And, according to Smerconish, that would be a tremendous mistake on their part.
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 08:59 PM
Oct 2017

When parties are only self-serving, bad things happen.
Something to remember when we obscess about our own leaders. It's not supposed to be about them.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
5. I agree with you,
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 09:03 PM
Oct 2017

but incumbency is a tremendous advantage, as is access to money. And the right currently enjoys a tremendous advantage in both categories.

JI7

(89,249 posts)
8. Romney beat Obama among independents and Obama won them because if his personality
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 09:15 PM
Oct 2017

Indies usually go the way the wind blows or how they feel at the moment.

Anf I'm talking about those who are likely to vote both parties.

Many indies are strongly partisan and only vote one way.

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
10. This is interesting. Every day we get more information about the GOP being a
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 09:21 PM
Oct 2017

criminal enterprise willfully violating the rule of law. They're angry, violent, incompetent, racist, homophobic, sexist, antisemitic and mean. Give me a reason why anyone other than a racist would vote for a Republican.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
12. Absent racism, the Republican Party would cease to be viable.
Sat Oct 28, 2017, 10:39 PM
Oct 2017

Seriously, there's no way that party would be viable if not for racism. It'd be on par with the Green Party or the Libertarian Party in terms of viability.

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