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B2G

(9,766 posts)
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 11:45 AM Oct 2017

Question: If it's Manafort and the charges are for money laundering

in 2012/2013, is Podesta in the line of fire as well?

I need to get a better handle on Manafort's activity with the Podesta Group.

But that timeframe predates the Russia investigation involving Trump. Is the idea to bring charges against Manafort for that activity and get him to talk about his activities within the Trump campaign?

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Question: If it's Manafort and the charges are for money laundering (Original Post) B2G Oct 2017 OP
It seems like there is a difference. Podesta Group filed under congress thinking that covered it. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #1
Aren't FARA violations and money laundering B2G Oct 2017 #3
From another article, I am not getting they are underfire. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #4
Yes and FARA violations by themselves aren't nearly as serious marylandblue Oct 2017 #5
That's a rather random misdirection of the thread. lagomorph777 Oct 2017 #38
Initial charges may not be for anything Russia related bearsfootball516 Oct 2017 #2
why... fallout87 Oct 2017 #24
One person saying "Yes, it did happen" is more powerful than a dozen people saying "No" bearsfootball516 Oct 2017 #26
Even if Turd pardons Manfort, it might not help him. 5th Amendment would no longer apply. lagomorph777 Oct 2017 #36
Is Mueller going in the direction of, Wellstone ruled Oct 2017 #6
He may be. I've seen money laundering speculated as well. B2G Oct 2017 #7
Remember,it was the IRS that opened the door Wellstone ruled Oct 2017 #10
Is money laundering a state or a federal charge? Not Ruth Oct 2017 #8
I believe Federal. nt B2G Oct 2017 #9
Both. marylandblue Oct 2017 #11
So if you get pardoned on federal charges, you can be charged by the state for the same thing? Not Ruth Oct 2017 #12
Yes. marylandblue Oct 2017 #13
Yes. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2017 #28
The dossier says Russia has been working on DT for at least 5 years. So Manafort's activities pnwmom Oct 2017 #14
Working 'on' him or B2G Oct 2017 #15
Cultivating him, in multiple ways. n/t pnwmom Oct 2017 #16
Yeah, the FSB make their target think they're working "for" him. lagomorph777 Oct 2017 #37
is that fallout87 Oct 2017 #25
Well, we know that they were chumming up to him when he was there for Miss Universe pnwmom Oct 2017 #27
Was Trump Manafort's money launderer? L. Coyote Oct 2017 #17
The only thing I've seen relates to 2012/2013. B2G Oct 2017 #18
Podesta who worked on Hillary's campaign is not being investigated. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #19
Yes. Tony. B2G Oct 2017 #20
I knew this would happen...it is the brother's business ...but feel free to spread misinformation Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #21
What are you talking about? B2G Oct 2017 #22
When you say Podesta...unless you specify...most think it is John. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #32
And as it turns out, it is bullshit anyway...there is a thread about how groundless Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #33
+1 DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2017 #23
Thank you. Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #34
yep Eliot Rosewater Oct 2017 #29
Why is the question? Demsrule86 Oct 2017 #35
Re Tony Podesta, See this post and linked Mother Jones article: emulatorloo Oct 2017 #30
I think Manafort might be later, due to the need for him to be prosecuted in NY. Flynn is my guess. OnDoutside Oct 2017 #31
 

Mediumsizedhand

(531 posts)
1. It seems like there is a difference. Podesta Group filed under congress thinking that covered it.
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 11:57 AM
Oct 2017

Podesta Group CEO Kimberly Fritts said in a statement that the firm relied on assurances from the think tank, the European Centre for Modern Ukraine, that it was not controlled or financed by a foreign government or political party. Based on that information, the firm disclosed its work to Congress rather than to the Justice Department.

Mercury partner Michael McKeon said the firm is working with DOJ to finalize its own filing under the Foreign Agents Registration Act, “which will be completed in a timely fashion.”

Lobbying firms typically prefer the congressional disclosures, known as the Lobbying Disclosure Act, wherever possible because they are less detailed and burdensome than reporting to the Justice Department under FARA, which requires disclosure of work for foreign governments or political parties.

Fritts maintained that the Podesta Group’s original disclosures were appropriate. However, after consulting with the office that enforces FARA, the firm agreed to register retroactively.

“We believe the LDA registration was appropriate for our particular work on the Centre’s behalf,” Fritts said in the statement. “However, we also understand after constructive consultation with FARA Unit staff that their position, which is based on all the information available to them, is that the overall representation is better classified as a FARA registration. Therefore, today the Podesta Group has reclassified its previous LDA registration for the Centre to a FARA registration.”

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/paul-manafort-lobbying-ukraine-podesta-group-237163

 

Mediumsizedhand

(531 posts)
4. From another article, I am not getting they are underfire.
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 12:09 PM
Oct 2017

The company is “cooperating fully with the Special Counsel’s office and has taken every possible step to provide documentation that confirms timely compliance​,” a spokesman said in a statement to NBC. “​In all of our client engagements, the Podesta Group conducts due diligence and consults with appropriate legal experts to ensure compliance with disclosure regulations at all times — and we did so in this case.”

http://nypost.com/2017/10/23/john-podestas-brother-eyed-in-russia-probe/

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
5. Yes and FARA violations by themselves aren't nearly as serious
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 12:12 PM
Oct 2017

The issue for Manafort is the type of activities he was doing while not properly registered. If he was doing money laundering then, it gives the appearance of trying to evade oversight.

bearsfootball516

(6,377 posts)
2. Initial charges may not be for anything Russia related
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 11:58 AM
Oct 2017

Like you mentioned. He needs something that is a state, not federal crime, so that Trump can't offer to pardon the person if they don't talk.

Then Mueller says "Paul, you can either spend the rest of your life in jail for these money laundering charges, or you can tell me what was said in the Trump Tower meeting last year and spend the rest of your life as a free man."

 

fallout87

(819 posts)
24. why...
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 05:53 PM
Oct 2017

would manafort all of the sudden be a credible witness though? The others in the room will just deny it.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
36. Even if Turd pardons Manfort, it might not help him. 5th Amendment would no longer apply.
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 07:29 PM
Oct 2017

And Manafort would then be newly indictable if he lies or keeps silent after that.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
6. Is Mueller going in the direction of,
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 12:12 PM
Oct 2017

failure to register as or breaking Foreign Agents Laws? Remember,late last summer,personal Information about Persons working for the Hillary Campaign as well as DNC Staffers were released to and posted on Wiki,these same people today are unable to find employment because of this. Data Privacy?

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
7. He may be. I've seen money laundering speculated as well.
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 12:15 PM
Oct 2017

Those would bring different sets of charges.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
10. Remember,it was the IRS that opened the door
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 12:24 PM
Oct 2017

for Nixon's departure.


Money laundering or failure to declare certain transactions over 10k gets you 3 squares and a cot at the Local Federal Grey Bar Hotel.

If it involves Cyprus,Wilburrrrrrrr.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
14. The dossier says Russia has been working on DT for at least 5 years. So Manafort's activities
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 01:58 PM
Oct 2017

fall within the timeline.

But flipping Manafort is also a goal, probably.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
37. Yeah, the FSB make their target think they're working "for" him.
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 07:32 PM
Oct 2017

But then it all turns up side down.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
27. Well, we know that they were chumming up to him when he was there for Miss Universe
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 05:58 PM
Oct 2017

and that they made a big deal out of letting younger Ivanka sit at Putin's desk.

Demsrule86

(68,578 posts)
19. Podesta who worked on Hillary's campaign is not being investigated.
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 02:59 PM
Oct 2017

Podesta...you mean the brother I presume...and the answer is no.

Demsrule86

(68,578 posts)
21. I knew this would happen...it is the brother's business ...but feel free to spread misinformation
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 04:48 PM
Oct 2017

and pretend that there is a there there...helping the GOP you know when we echo their bullshit.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
22. What are you talking about?
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 05:51 PM
Oct 2017

I in no way said or insinuated ANTHING about John Podesta. Everyone knows his brother Tony runs the Podesta Group, not John.

Calm down.

Demsrule86

(68,578 posts)
32. When you say Podesta...unless you specify...most think it is John.
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 07:24 PM
Oct 2017

Seen it everywhere...we don't need to help the GOP even inadvertently.

Demsrule86

(68,578 posts)
33. And as it turns out, it is bullshit anyway...there is a thread about how groundless
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 07:25 PM
Oct 2017

the accusations even Against Tony.

Demsrule86

(68,578 posts)
35. Why is the question?
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 07:27 PM
Oct 2017

So much to talk about with the GOP...they just snatched a little girl from her hospital bed...a handicapped girl...ICE. But instead misinformation echoing the GOP is what some think is important.

emulatorloo

(44,130 posts)
30. Re Tony Podesta, See this post and linked Mother Jones article:
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 06:33 PM
Oct 2017
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029766220#post1

Velveteen Ocelot writes:

"From this article it looks like the investigation of the Podesta Group might be a way of getting more dirt on Manafort. The fact that Anthony Podesta is John's brother is fodder for the RW, but it doesn't look like he's one of Mueller's targets."

OnDoutside

(19,957 posts)
31. I think Manafort might be later, due to the need for him to be prosecuted in NY. Flynn is my guess.
Sun Oct 29, 2017, 06:42 PM
Oct 2017
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