They only both deserve to be fired.

"You gots ta be patriotic cuz we sez so!"

Read their comments, you'll see I only paraphrased these two a little.

to pass a law demanding every corp and house play the National Anthem every day
and at every government building

My reply was to the poster who posted this. Why did you think it was directed at you; none of the posts in this reply were yours?

No of course I didn't think it was directed at me.

But I did misunderstand the meaning of your post. Sorry, reading fail. I apologize. Self deleting

I am just trying to see a way to bring both sides together in spite of the lies

Both had right to protest. Players had more class than the refs.

every Youtube video under, "White cop shoots unarmed black man" and then see if they have the gall to reject these players.

you have enough people with you and are protesting and injustice, (like McDonald's)

These two clowns chose to leave. So leave!

the should have come back out to do their job. Those kneeling are still doing their jobs. The refs are walking off.

Not to mention they walked out on the job.

Remember - it has nothing to do with disrespecting the flag.

They walked away from their job so they deserve to be fired.

They are probably running for office or something. So lame of them.

it makes it hard to find the truth
It is time for an honest dialogue about what the protests really mean

What an ignorant, blind moron.

I see that constantly online. The corrosive claim that kneelers are disrespecting the military and the flag, when in fact the protests have nothing to do with that.

And making statements like that shows either a deliberate attempt to change the narrative (as in Fucking Moron) OR.. sheer lazy stupidity, as is most likely the case with these refs.
I mean they are high school football refs, not concert 'cellists, for Pete's sake.

On the other hand I know of a great principal orchestral'cellist who is also a girls' soccer coach. So there is that.

On edit.-- Assistant soccer coach, as he is careful to point out. LOL

I'm guessing that they we're also raised to believe blacks are second class citizens too...

per Lunardelli, Sr., but the players are disrespecting the national anthem?

Got it.

It's just like women who are victims of harassment: THe white men don't want to hear about it.

We don't know the team makeup, but I lived in that county not long ago, and it is a fairly diverse one -- not just black and white but also Hispanic, Asian, and Southeast Asian demographic.

Student body is

65% white
21% Asian
9% Hispanic
5% black


https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/new-jersey/districts/monroe-township-board-of-education/monroe-township-high-school-12651/student-body

once again, kneeling is not a sign of disrespect.

never has been, in any context.

kneeling to get engaged?
kneeling before royalty?
kneeling in worship?

kneeling, in fact, is *specifically* a sign of respect.

look how they view their own religion...everything is bass ackwards...

Praise the Rich, kick down the poor...
Health Care is for profit...
Jesus for GUNS!!!

What happened to that? Now we are for it?

I don't think we will see that day unless its in the far flung future. Maybe Avatars will be made so real people don't get head injuries.

Wrong. The take a knee movement has nothing to do w/those things. Those are straw man
arguments and the country behind trying to push the "kneeling thing" as a wedge issue is Russia
in order to help Trump and keep us divided.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/lawmaker-russian-trolls-trying-to-sow-discord-in-nfl-kneeling-debate/2017/09/27/5f46dce0-a3b0-11e7-ade1-76d061d56efa_story.html?utm_term=.f1bde2c5ddff

Lawmaker: Russian trolls trying to sow discord in NFL kneeling debate

I wonder how much of a roll Fox News plays in this whole thing?

.... It really kills me that all these "Patriotic America Lovers" are being played
by Russia.

TW both Trump and Pence put up links to Russia troll twitter accounts like
"stand for the flag" or "stand for the troops."

It's a perpetual shit cycle. Russia must know that the GOP would really believe everything you see on TV, so they feed bad intel to Fox News, the GOP watches it, they repeat the bullshit.

To try to spilt those racial and ethnic communities.

and ignored for future games.

maybe we need to change it to This is Your Land This is My Land....or if that isn't inclusive enough maybe we need a new song-without those high notes not all of us can reach.

before a high school football game anyway? Just leave them the fuck alone and let them play. They're in high school, they already have to listen to that idiotic meaningless pledge every day.

We never stood and recited the Pledge of Allegiance but one of our teachers made us learn the preamble to the Constitution of the United States by having us WRITE IT by hand, 50 times. Its still stuck in my head to this day...

Thanks a lot, Chin-sensei...

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

I'm not suggesting it should be done away with now. I think this ridiculous pseudopatriotic ritual should never have been started in the first place. I'm glad the ritual is finally serving a worthwhile purpose.

treats the flag like a roll of Charmin every single day.

As if we're not divided enough in America, now this dumb shit, and it's dumb, really. A righteous, peaceful protest has been slandered. Never have we equated the national anthem and flag with respect for the military.. never. Put a liar in charge and here we are, all offended and mad at each other over football, the only thing we could ever discuss. mmm, think that's the reason?

I hate that man.

Republican party!

any Repub not with trump should form a third party and split the GOP like Teddy Roosevelt did. Bill Maher was talking about that Friday.

Love his show. Like he said, he thought he didn't know women, but turns out he didn't know men.

kinda shocked he admitted that!

So, no one should bother with him.

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be considered equally disrespectful? You can't have it both ways. Either protests during the National Anthem is wrong for everyone or for no one. Those refs motives is no better or worse than the players motives. If anything the Refs motive is worse because it makes them hypocrites. That they can exercise their right to "protest", in this case the players actions, during the National Anthem and others can't is pure unadulterated bullshit. But then I'm not surprised that the irony has been lost on this white middle aged priviledged Ref and his equally 27 year old priviledged son who also happens to be a Ref.

I feel like this whole back and forth about kneeling is going nowhere.